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D. Hart writes:
I agree that consolidation is the wrong direction. To me the biggest problem has been this notion of "too big to fail". There is a fundamental problem if a company is not allowed to fail and that is what needs to be addressed. There may have been economy of scale reasons why corporations have been big, but (especially in non-physical goods industries) many of the same efficiencies could be gained via well defined interfaces between companies. In a world of lots of medium size financial institutions instead of a few gigantic ones, the suits vs geeks divide would have been much smaller. Plus the markets should weed out the ones making poor choices much sooner. One way it could be structured would be to have very low capital requirements for small banks and progressively increase capital requirements as banks increase in size. No matter what the mechanism is though, any system that has organizations that are "too big too fail" is flawed. Posted October 15, 2008 9:09 AM
E. Barandiaran writes:
Except for one post, Tyler has been asking the wrong questions for the past four weeks (and too often you have agreed with him). You have to understand that AFTER Paulson&Bernanke (is Ben still around?) shouted fire on 9-18, there was no alternative but to deal with it--either by showing that they were wrong (an impossible task because they were the only ones to have all the relevant information) or by quickly drawing a good, feasible plan. We're still waiting for this plan. Posted October 15, 2008 9:41 AM
Matt C writes:
I really hope the Democrats do not keep Paulson. Maybe the popular resentment against fat cat bankers can work against this. I'm not sure where you get off looking at long run consequences during A CRISIS, though. What do you think you are, an economist? Too accurate, too depressing. Posted October 15, 2008 10:04 AM
brgabriel writes:
Isn't it true that the market serves as an aggregator of knowledge, though? But I suppose things like credit default swaps don't really have a market (yet). Posted October 15, 2008 10:08 AM
Les writes:
Certainly the government has grabbed enormous power. It is ironic that this power grab has come as a result of serious government failure. Looking back, would there even be a financial crisis if: a) Fannie and Freddie had never been created, and b) the laws had not been enacted that enabled mortgage lending to borrowers lacking sufficient down-payments and with insufficient income to meet monthly mortgage repayments? The obvious lesson: increased government power leads to increased disaster. Posted October 15, 2008 10:29 AM
John Thacker writes:
Looking back, would there even be a financial crisis if Yes, probably, regardless of what you put after that "if." Financial panics happen periodically. There's a question of whether it would have been better, though. Zoning and land use regulations make bubbles inevitable; just ask Ed Glaeser. Posted October 15, 2008 10:51 AM
Sheldon Richman writes:
"Zoning and land use regulations make bubbles inevitable..." No they don't. Zoning and land-use regulations restrict supply relative to demand, setting a higher market-clearing price. As long as the regulations stay in place, other things equal, the price will remain at the new level. There's no bubble to burst. A bubble is created by easy money or some other unsustainable demand-boosting intervention. Posted October 15, 2008 11:05 AM
Superheater writes:
Back in the old days, when I attended a school that taught the various forms of government, they discussed the idea that feudalism was the outgrowth of local individual who offered physical security against invading hordes-the birth of the castle. Gradually, the security monopolists exacted greater and greater tolls and neighbors became subjects, whose labor, capital and lives, even their children, were subject to royal lien. Have you ever noticed how government peddles fear as something only it can handle? This has been going on for decades. 1930's An ambitious Democrat is swept to power with promises and trhe villification of the other party. In what was a mere adjunct to the unprecedented expansion government, he creates Fannie Mae. 1977 Another ambitious Democrat is swept to power with promises and the villification of the other party. In an unprecedented expansion government, he signs the "Community Reinvestment Act". 1992 Another ambitious Democrat is swept to power with promises and the villification of the other party. While his plans for the expansion of government are curtailed by the loss of the legislature, his HUD Secreatary begins to make aggressive use of the CRA to push banks to hit quotas for low-income & minority lending. 2008 Another ambitious Democrat is on the verge of being swept to power with promises and the villification of the other party. His background is indicates he is further left than any of his predecesssors and the videos of the kids chanting his name seem a little to much like Munich, Berlin or Nuremberg of the 30's. His plans for the expansion of government are being fueled by groups like ACORN who use their taxpayer largesse to engage in voter fraud. He retains Franklin Raines, the mastermind of the Fannie Mae overstatement of income. If Paulson is Mussolini, then fascism of the most virulent kind is just around the corner. Posted October 15, 2008 11:26 AM
El Presidente writes:
Iteresting. And this consolidation of power wouldn't have anything to do with a consolidation of wealth, would it, Arnold? Posted October 15, 2008 11:29 AM
Steve Roth writes:
I would very much like to hear Bryan's response to this post. Posted October 15, 2008 12:08 PM
Brian Shelley writes:
"Zoning and land use regulations make bubbles inevitable..." "No they don't." Actually, they do if you believe in bounded rationality. Rapidly rising home prices masked the rate of foreclosure because homeowners can simply sell for a realized gain. This encouraged more lending, which was more than willing because of the easy money you mentioned. The increased multiple of prices over income encouraged the demand for "creative" loans. Once the unsustainable growth slowed, foreclosures revealed themselves. Capital was pulled out and prices fell even further. The bloodbath ensued. The problem with merely blaming easy money is that it doesn't account for the differences between California and Texas. Texas had no bubble and virtually no price drops. According to RealtyTrac data, the default rate in Texas has steadily declined since early 2006. I have heard no explanation that explains the differences. Unless Texas is immune to greed, witless consumers, easy money, the CRA, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, land use regulation explains much. Posted October 15, 2008 2:10 PM
David Taht writes:
@Brian Shelley: Bush is the best president that the state of Texas ever had, better even than LBJ. Hear that sucking sound of jobs going to texas from california and the other states? That's why house prices haven't collapsed there.
Posted October 15, 2008 2:38 PM
Peter Saint-Andre writes:
Did someone say Mussolini? I posted to the same effect (albeit in more inflammatory language) last night: http://stpeter.im/?p=2334 Posted October 15, 2008 2:46 PM
Mark Amerman writes:
I agree with you Arnold Kling. What I've been wondering for years is how It seems to me that we need a government Say, for example, a corporate tax rate indexed A key question would be how to do this without Perhaps all one can do is tax foreign activities But the likely effect on U.S. based companies seems And that's we need. Posted October 15, 2008 3:23 PM
Greg writes:
This analysis strikes me as over-simplified. Much of the malfeasance in the mortgage market was extremely dispersed. It consisted of individual mortgage brokers, appraisers, borrowers, ratings agencies, and so on all doing the wrong thing. Distribution of power is no solution if the incentives are systematically wrong, and I think you could argue that was the case. Of course, government had a goodly role in setting those incentives, I agree. However, if we agree the system is broken right now, don't we need consolidated power to fix it? Or do we expect markets to spontaneously evolve along more rational lines? I for one would not hold my breath for that. Power corrupts, but how do you remedy corruption without power? Posted October 15, 2008 4:13 PM
Bob writes:
@Mark Perhaps the "need" for government bias in taxation would not exist if some of the banks being bailed out (and thus subsidized) had been allowed to fail, they would have diminished, perhaps not in number, as it is unlikely that a bank would end up being completely eliminated, but at least in total capitalization. From what I've heard, the smaller banks in general have not been as leveraged and thus will end up losing less. In other words, if you are right, and banks need to shrink to be more effective, that's exactly what this crisis would be doing. Except the government can't let that happen. Posted October 15, 2008 7:13 PM
Dr. T writes:
I agree with Superheater, but one major factor was left out. In 2003, under a Republican president thinking mostly about Afghanistan and Iraq, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae relaxed their requirements on mortgages. Subprime mortgages immediately jumped from 8% to 20% of all new mortgages. Most of the risky mortgages were acquired by Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, and private financial institutions. The collapse of Freddie Mae, Fannie Mac, and some private financial institutions earlier this year were the first obvious signs of a failing system. Posted October 15, 2008 7:56 PM
Troy Camplin writes:
Why wouldn't they want to reappoint him? Nationalization is where the Democrats want to go, but are afraid to say it. Paulson and Bush are doing it, at least partially. I talked about Paulson's plan here: http://zatavu.blogspot.com/2008/10/paulson-must-resign-before-more-damage.html and here: http://zatavu.blogspot.com/2008/10/bushs-slow-creep-communism.html I was never a fan of Bush's in the first place and thought him a soft liberal -- but he has shown himself to be in the wrong party entirely with the events of the past several weeks. Posted October 16, 2008 12:05 AM
bizzle writes:
I would be willing to bet a significant amount of money against the proposition that Paulson will be kept on as Treasury Secretary in an Obama administration. You can't be the "candidate of change" if you keep the most powerful member of the prior President's cabinet. Why would Obama anger his own supporters for no appreciable political gain? Posted October 16, 2008 8:08 AM
The Snob writes:
@Greg: I wonder if the ecology of boiler-room mortgage producers could have grown to its recent size without the presence of the relatively few, very large Wall Street firms as upstream consolidators. For that market to work, there needed to be fast and relatively easy buyers for mortgages in wholesale quantities. The smaller banks generally wouldn't touch the stuff directly, while the larger ones did via CDO/MBS vehicles which as Arnold and others have talked about were a way to work around capital requirements. In any case as a general principle I do not know of any industry in which "bigger" leads to "smarter." Some industries may genuinely require massive scale simply to function (you're not really going to have 500-person startups building $200mm jumbo jets), but it's less clear that the aggregation of so much financial services, banking, and investment banking under a relatively few roofs has been either as necessary or as beneficial. So far, the most diversified parts of the market (community banks, perhaps PE) seem to have weathered the storm best. Posted October 16, 2008 9:30 AM
RWard writes:
@Brian Shelley Texas has relatively stricter mortgage lending regulations than most states (certainly much more so than California, Florida and Nevada). This has provided a decent cushion against the direct foreclosure problems, although the regs weren't as tough as the old minimum-20-down standard. No idea if there's any difference in MBS rules here, though. @David Taht No, he isn't. Connecticut can have him back. I also doubt a President can have any significant effect on inter-state job movement without being fairly blatant about things. That would seem to depend much more on state and local regulations, incentives and conditions. Texas has a good mix of industries, from agriculture and refining to high tech, so it can handle segment-wide downturns fairly well. @bizzle Given his running mate (six-longest serving senator) I don't think his claims of change would be hurt any further by keeping Paulson around, no matter how bad an idea it is. As to the main post, consolidation of power has been the trend for most of history. Can't say I find it even remotely surprising, no matter how disgusting it is. Posted October 16, 2008 9:55 AM
DWG writes:
With respect to the comments noting the difference in mortgage defaults between California and Texas, a factor that might contiribute to this difference is that deficiency judgments are not allowed in California for first mortgage loans, while they are allowed in Texas. This means that in Califonia, a borrower can simply hand the keys to house to its lender and walk away scot free. In contrast in Texas, if the fair market price of the house is less than the remaining amount on the loan, the lender can obtain a judgment for the difference and enforce it against the defaulting borrower. This means that in California, the borrower has an effectively unfettered put option if the value of the house declines. No wonder then that no down payment mortgages were extremely attractive, since they essentiallly provided all of the up-side potential to the borrower, with the lender bearing all of the down-side. In Texas, the borrower receives the up-side potential, but bears down-side in the event the value of the house declines sufficiently to the point the lender cannot recover the amount of the remaining loan on foreclosure. The fact this may not have been taken into account by lenders in California (and Florida where I understand defficiency judgments are effectively unavailable), just underscores the point made in an earlier post by Arnold that lenders ignored the put option nature of the loans they were making. Posted October 16, 2008 12:07 PM
Mark Amerman writes:
@Bob, As you say, "Except the government can't let that happen." I suspect that we'd have a DJIA under 1,000 and a hefty percentage Strongly biasing the rules against very large corporations will If all we "learn" from this is the we need more regulation, then Posted October 16, 2008 12:23 PM
Joe a poor sinner writes:
. Solution ; Unjust Enrichment article by Poor Sinner Posted October 20, 2008 11:49 AM
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