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RJ writes:
"In our obliviousness to the importance of market-supporting institutions we were in sync with policymakers. They were lured by ideological notions derived from Ayn Rand novels rather than economic theory. And we let their policies and rhetoric set the agenda for our thinking about the world and worse, perhaps, Are you sure you meant to post this Kling? Are you not afraid of offending your virulent anti-government followers? Since when did you brainiacs at GMU become institutionalists? I feel like next time I look at this blog I'll find Bryan referencing Galbraith's "A short history of financial euphoria". Posted January 9, 2009 1:22 PM
Jeff writes:
The intellectual argument for the fi nancial bailout of the Fall 2008 has been that the organizations that are clearly responsible for the problems we are in today should nonetheless be saved and propped up because they are the only ones that have the "specfii c capital" to get us out of our current predicament. This is not an invalid argument. Neither is it unique to the current situation. Whenever the incentives to compromise integrity, to sacri ce the quality, and to take unnecessary risks are there, most companies will do so in tandem. And because the ex post vacuum of speci fic skills, capital and knowledge that their punishment will create make such a course of action too costly for the society, all kinds of punishments lose their effectiveness and credibility. This is only true if all, or almost all, financial institutions compromised their integrity and need bailing out. But there are a number of banks that did not, and by propping up the bad banks, we are preventing the good banks from killing off the bad ones through competition. Bad behavior is not being punished, nor sound business judgment rewarded, and the result can only be to ensure that the next financial crisis will occur sooner and be even worse. William Black believes that control fraud has played a large part in creating this mess, and he has also pointed out that historically, almost all such frauds have been discovered only after they ran their organizations into the ground. The forensic accountants and/or bankruptcy trustee then move in and find the evidence. Fraud discovery by outside auditors and regulators of a going concern almost never happens. By not allowing large firms to fail, we are helping the perpetrators of highly lucrative crimes get away with their loot. This has to result in even more such crime in the future. Such is the path to a banana republic.
Posted January 9, 2009 1:37 PM
Maniel writes:
Prof. Kling wrote that Acemoglu wrote: "We believed that through astute policy or new technologies, including better methods of communication and inventory control, the business cycles were conquered. Our belief in a more benign economy made us more optimistic about the stock market and the housing market. If any contraction must be soft and short lived, then it becomes easier to believe that financial intermediaries, firms and consumers should not worry about large drops in asset values." This paragraph does not stand alone. It's not obvious who "we" refers to. It obscures for me the abstractions that the housing and stock markets represent. When I buy a house, I assess whether, based on many factors, it represents good value and I assess whether I can afford it. Its resale price is important when I resell it, but as part of the larger environment, "the housing market," that transaction is likely to be offset by the next house I buy (whose asking price will have risen or fallen along with my resale roughly in line with market conditions). Similarly, the stock market is an after-market for shares issued to raise capital by offering equity in an enterprise. If the market is relatively high (by fundamental or historical measures), it signals that equity in private companies is prized and that businesses can finance growth by sharing ownership rather than taking on debt. In each case, there is a recurring benefit to ownership - homes provide shelter and stocks provide a share of business revenues. The after markets hold the potential of capital gains, but any investor will tell you that those gains (or losses) are speculative. That whole industries have grown up around these after-markets is testimony to the remarkable growth in private and public debt. Posted January 9, 2009 1:56 PM
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John Seater writes:
Daron has a lot of interesting things to say, but he clearly also has fallen for the misleading reports in the media telling us that it was the markets that failed, not the regulations that distorted the markets in the first place. On p.13 of his paper, Daron says explicitly that the failure was one of unregulated markets. Is he kidding? The financial markets are unregulated? Let's get serious. Nowhere in the paper does Daron discuss Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the Community Reinvestment Act, or Sarbanes-Oxley. Those are institutions, you know, and they were counterproductive. Sarbanes-Oxley, by the way, was a recent *increase* in regulation. Daron also does not mention that there seems to have been only one legislative deregulation of the financial industry in the last 20 years or so, which was the partial repeal of Glass-Steagall that actually helped cushion the banking turmoil in August and September. The main recent regulatory omission seems to have been some way of preventing pyramiding of financial derivatives. Daron is absolutely right of course that some regulation is needed, but we have a lot of evidence that much of the regulation that is in place was bad, not good. I expect economists much less reasonable that Daron (e.g., Stiglitz, the man who never met a market failure he didn't like) to be blind to government failure, but I am disappointed that Daron also seems blind to it. It is all around us, all the time. That is why government should intervene only in fairly extreme cases. There usually is a market cure for most market failures, such as the invention of UHF, cable, and satellite television that ended the VHF oligopoly on broadcasting and the internet introduction of cheap competition in the telephone industry. We can all think of lots and lots of other examples. A big problem with government failure, in contrast, is that there is no entry by competitors with better ideas. Try starting your own alternative government and watch what happens to you. That is why we have to be very wary of having government jump in even when there are obvious market failures. Government tends to institutionalize things (e.g., the bailout of the Big Three that Daron mentions in his paper), so even if there is a short-run benefit of an intervention, there may be a serious long-run cost in terms of legally preventing creative destruction. We thus must proceed cautiously in advocating new regulations for two reasons: (1) regulations can suffer big time from government failure due to paying off influential lobbies, buying votes, and pure ignorance and foolishness, and (2) even regulations that correctly address a short-run problem may have long-run costs in terms of ossification that make the regulations undesirable on net. Posted January 10, 2009 10:35 AM
Jeff writes:
John, It's one thing to decry new regulations as possibly unnecessary, but supervision of quasi-government agencies like Fannie and Freddie, or of FDIC-insured banks, is not an illegitimate function of government. When it comes to enforcing existing laws against fraud and theft in all their myriad forms, a decision to go easy on supervision is giving the green light to criminal behavior. In the financial world, the regulators are the cops on the beat. No one else has the expertise and information required to enforce the law. Posted January 10, 2009 5:43 PM
Gary Rogers writes:
I will have to say that I was less than impressed with Acemoglu's essay. What I was able to take away from it is:
Just to give some insight into where I am coming from, I am not an economist so I find the writing style cryptic at best. However, I do expect the logic to be at least well laid out. In this case it was not. So, here I will throw out my own non-economic logic with the hope that it makes more sense:
To me this makes economic sense and needs no translation, where Acemoglu seems to be wandering in details so he can expound on conventional wisdom yet avoid having to really explain anything. Posted January 11, 2009 2:49 AM
Pete Murphy writes:
None of this discussion gets at the real root cause of the global economic melt-down: the global economy's utter reliance upon the U.S. running a massive trade deficit in perpetuity. With the U.S. continuously selling off assets to fund the deficit, it should have been obvious to anyone that the scheme would collapse as the supply of assets neared depletion. With virtually everything else sold off, the financial industry resorted to selling junk - securities backed by subprime mortgages that banks and government alike knew were doomed to default, just to keep the stream of foreign credit coming. The question then becomes why economists' precious free trade theory and principle of comparative advantage failed so miserably when put to the test on a global scale. Perhaps if they were willing to consider the ramifications of huge disparities in population density from one nation to the next, they might understand why Ricardo's principle was flawed or, at best, incomplete. But then that would require them getting over their black eye from the whole Malthus ordeal. Probably won't happen, as it'd be career-suicide for an economist to approach the subject of population growth with an open mind. Pete Murphy Posted January 12, 2009 1:58 PM
John Seater writes:
I simply don't get the connection between Jeff's latest comment on my post and the content of my post. As far as I can tell, he and I agree that Fannie and Freddie did a crummy job. I regard Fannie and Freddie as government institutions. They were set up by the government and then given implicit subsidies by the government that effectively shut out competition. Calling them "quasi" simply hides their true nature. I regard their misbehavior as a fine example of a serious government failure. Furthermore, I see no market failure that ever justified the creation of Fran or Fred. We not need them. Indeed, we would be better off without them. They were one of the causes of the recent turmoil, which is no surprise given their protected status. The best way to "supervise" them is to close them down immediately. Jeff seems to disagree with something I said, but I cannot figure out what that is or why he disagrees with it. For sure, I agree with everything he said in his earlier post about the foolishness of not letting firms fail and of not letting the market punish bad behavior. Posted January 12, 2009 3:14 PM
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