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Jim Glass writes:
I just read through a history of World War I and it sure seemed like everyone in the west today is about 30 IQ points smarter than then (which is a lot, two standard deviations). I mean, geeze, I sure hope so. Posted November 24, 2004 8:40 PM
Robert writes:
If the average 100 years ago was "100" then 3%/year would make it 134 today: genius level. Going the way, in 1904 it was 77. Given the remarkable achievements of the 1st decade of the 20th century, I believe it is mostly a testing artifact. I would also think that it would imply a narrower bell curve with the extremes seeing a less significant change. Just like the Japanese growth spurt after the introduction of more meat, this phenomena levels off when the limitations to genetic potential are removed. Posted November 24, 2004 11:38 PM
Lawrance George Lux writes:
The Flynn effect stands as a feat of acculturation, rather than Intelligence increase. The effect exists because of the rapid technological advance. The older Generation was confronted then, and today, with what they needed to know to survive and participate. The Younger Generation reflects the technological advances. The Flynn effect will slow when the rate of technological advance slows. lgl Posted November 25, 2004 2:52 PM
razib writes:
the flynn effect might also be partly genetic: http://ultradarwinian.gnxp.com/archives/003186.html Posted November 25, 2004 6:30 PM
Ronnie Horesh writes:
Not completely off-topic are these questions asked of 11-years old candidates to an English Grammar school in 1898. These are the arithmetic questions; the complete set is at :
2. Add together £132 4s. 1d., £243 7s. 2d., £303 16s 2d., and £1.030 5s. 3d.; and divide the sum by 17. (Two answers to be given.) 3. Write out Length Measure, and reduce 217204 inches to miles, &c. 4. Find the G.C.M. of 13621 and 159848. 5. Find, by Practice, the cost of 537 things at £5 3s. 71/2d. each. 6. Subtract 37/16 from 51/4; multiply 63/4 by 5/36; divide 43/8 by 11/6; and find the value of 21/4 of 12/3 of 13/5. 7. Five horses and 28 sheep cost £126 14s., and 16 sheep cost £22 8s.; find the total cost of 2 horses and 10 sheep. 8. Subtract 3.25741 from 3.3; multiply 28.436 by 8.245; and divide .86655 by 26.5. 9. Simplify 183/4 – 22/3 ÷ 11/5 – 31/2 x 4/7. 10. Find the square root of 5.185,440,100. 11. Find the cost of papering the walls of a room 16ft long, 13ft 6in. wide, and 9ft high, with paper 11/2ft wide at 2s. 3d. a piece of 12yds in length. 12. A and B rent a number of fields between them for a year, the rent and other expenses amounting to £108 17s. 6d. A puts in 2 horses, 5 oxen and 10 sheep; and B puts in 4 horses, 1 ox, and 27 sheep. If a horse eats as much as 3 sheep and an ox as much as 2 sheep, how much should A and B each pay? These papers were kindly sent in by Humphrey Stanbury, whose father took the exam, and passed. Posted November 26, 2004 4:42 AM
Lauren Landsburg writes:
Hi, Ronnie! You said: These papers were kindly sent in by Humphrey Stanbury, whose father took the exam, and passed. I'm a little confused about the dates. You also said: Not completely off-topic are these questions asked of 11-years old candidates to an English Grammar school in 1898. Are you saying that Humphrey Stanbury's father took this exam in 1898, at 11 years old? If Humphrey Stanbury's father was age 11 when he took the exam, his father was born in 1887? Something isn't adding up. When was Humphrey Stanbury born? Let's say the father was age 25 when Humphrey Stanbury was born. That would make Humphrey Stanbury born in 1912. Thus he'd be 92 now. It's not impossible. Econlib does have lots of readers ages 70-80--and maybe a few in their 90s, all welcome here! Or maybe my arithmetic or guesses are wrong. But something's not likely. Year 2004-Year 1898=106 years, which sounds like more than two generations. He sent these papers to you when and how? Lauren Posted November 26, 2004 12:22 PM
skh writes:
Robert, 3% a decade...not per year. Still, quite an increase. Posted November 26, 2004 2:07 PM
Brad Hutchings writes:
Let's say lgl is right and Flynn's effect is consistent with rate of technological progress (or change). I'd refine that a little bit and hypothesize that Flynn's effect depends on increasing the number and variety of people you are likely to come in contact with. So decreases in costs of travel and communication and increases in interesting places to go and opportunities to participate in conversations would drive Flynn's effect. If my hypothesis were true, then Flynn's effect looks a lot like Moore's Law. Almost 30 years into Moore's Law, there are still giant steps that semiconductor designers and materials people have planned to keep up the pace for more than the foreseeable future. Similarly, with Flynn's effect, I could see the opening up of Africa, China, and Southeast Asia along with a sputtering but consistent trend of economic liberalization and growth in South America giving us all more interesting places to go. And perhaps in a couple generations, most of the world's people will speak English because they wanna participate in a world economy driven by that language. Or maybe technology makes the language differences immaterial. Either way, more people for us to communicate with. Posted November 26, 2004 3:22 PM
spencer writes:
My question is this somewhat analogous to using a price index over time. If you use the CPI to compare prices today to prices two years ago or 5 years ago it will give you a pretty reasonable estimate of the impact of inflation. But if you try using it to make comparions over a period of time like 50 or a 100 years the validity breaks down because there are so many changes in the basket and quality changes in the basket. You can not compare living standards now with living standards 100 years ago without making some adjustment for health care for example, but that is really an impossible thing to do. I do not know, but if you are comparing knowledge now to another time how do you make the adjusments. For example, how many of the current readers know how to preserve meat. 50 or a 100 years ago that was common knowledge that almost everyone knew. Is there a difference in intelligence in knowing how to cure meat and use a computer. I doubt it, but how do you compare intelligence that is based on a very different knowledge base? Posted November 27, 2004 2:06 PM
Tim Worstall writes:
I’m sure that part of the Flynn efect comes from nutrition. We know very well that inadequate nutrition in the womb and childhood causes mental stunting. We also know that such nutrition has greatly improved over the past century. We are surprised by rises in IQ why? Posted November 29, 2004 9:24 AM
Atanu Dey writes:
Somewhat related to what Spenser wrote about about different knowledge base, I would recommend a fascinating book "The Age of Missing Information" by Bill McKibben. In there he remarks that there is a lot of useful information that we are missing due to the overload of often useless information we have today. Posted November 29, 2004 10:41 AM
Ronnie Horesh writes:
He sent these papers to you when and how? Hi Lauren, sorry for the delay in communication. I had tried to post the URL of the article from which the exam questions were lifted as a link, but it didn't work. It comes from the current issue of the UK journal, 'the Spectator'. Look at http://www.spectator.co.uk/index.php: go to the final colum and look at the article 'Dumbing down: the proof'. Can't tell you about Humphrey's age - the reference to his father etc was in the article itself, but your calculations seem right and it would seem he is in his eighties at least. Posted November 30, 2004 4:44 AM
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