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The author at voluntaryXchange in a related article titled Only In Utah? NOT! writes:
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Uriah Heep writes:
Great, now I'm going to lose out in a job opportunity because my former employer is missing a pencil. Posted February 20, 2005 11:40 PM
Mathias writes:
As the comment above eludes to, your solution just gives too much unilateral power to the employer. There needs to be some kind of industrial jurisprudence in place to make sure workers aren't blacklisted by employers. Posted February 21, 2005 12:41 AM
jen larson writes:
I personally think there are lots and lots of variables involved. However now is a chance to test the thesis. The recent situation is an increasing amount of revenue going to business, less to workers. According to the concept presented this should dramatically increase unemployment and increase national wealth. Is perhaps the claim that this isn't working because we don't have a blacklist just an excuse? Posted February 21, 2005 2:15 AM
jeremyh writes:
Firstly, let us not conflate the quite separate notions of diligent vs less diligent behavior, as against lawful vs unlawful behavior. I think the stealing pencils example is a poor one, because it is instructive of the lawful-unlawful dimension, not the diligent/lazy one, and there are already plenty of consequences for unlawful behavior. Diligence and loyalty ought to earn greater wages and indeed they do, and all this is explainable using standard supply and demand theory. Given that the effect is specifically stated as beyond simple supply and demand, I think that efficiency wages must classified as a rent. If so, who benefits? I think the current system pays rent to those employed in industries that benefit the most from retention and diligence without close supervision. They essentially get paid a bonus because having them stay put and perform moderately is preferable to the risk of trying to hire a better replacement. Lazy or disloyal employees who can talk themselves into a job during an interview also benefit. Losers include customers, employers, and marginally unemployed workers, and possibly genuinely diligent and loyal employees. You state "The law punishes honesty, not dishonesty, or silence." Ex-employees can already sue for honesty. Your remedy allows the new employer to sue for dishonesty. You will get option 3, silence, it being the only way to not get sued. Posted February 21, 2005 4:39 PM
Jon writes:
Prof. Caplan really now advocates for 1) lower wages for employees, and 2) and removal of the right to sue for slander. This article in its misrepresentations is either malicious or naive. Most notably, Prof Caplan maintains that the right of an employee to sue for slander or libel is a punishment for "honesty." Actually, it is a punishment for dishonesty, as in the United States, truth is an absolute defense against libel or slander. Prof Caplan assumes that anytime someone is fired and sues, the employer is correct and the employee is wrong. Many people are fired for incompetence; many also are fired because the boss is incompetent and malicious. We should be thankful that Mr. Caplan is locked safely in the ivory tower Posted February 21, 2005 9:36 PM
Jon writes:
I should add, contrary to what Prof. Caplan implies, there already is a very strong stigma towards being fired, even when disguised as a resignation. As a manager, when I see a resume with gaps, or several short stints at various jobs, often followed by periods of "consulting", I wonder whether the individual is such a desirable potential employee. I have seen people voluntarily leave a position, and then regret that they did not hang on until they found another. Posted February 21, 2005 9:46 PM
jim linnane writes:
It is not as bad as Caplan thinks. Folks doing the hiring learn to read between the lines when talking to a former employer. If the former employer says, "Yes, so-and-so worked here on the dates cited." and nothing more. It is a red flag. The job will go to the applicant whose former employer says, "Yes, so-and-so worked here and we really miss her. We tried to keep her, but we couldn't pay her what she deserved." Posted February 22, 2005 7:07 AM
David Thomson writes:
The charge of theft on one’s work record is very serious, and should never be made unless there is ample proof. If an employer is unwilling to press charges and see that the culprit is convicted---then they deserve to be sued. Posted February 22, 2005 8:39 AM
John writes:
As someone who has hired and fired people, I agree with Jim Linnane's comments about employers' being able to read between the lines. In addition, I like Prof. Caplan's Seinfeld reference. It makes up for his praise of Ayn Rand as a novelist. Posted February 22, 2005 9:29 AM
Dave Tufte writes:
If only my school (Southern Utah University) could sue the University of North Alabama. SUU is going through a rough spring in the wake of the firing of a popular and divisive professor for reasons that apparently can't be made public. Posted February 22, 2005 5:56 PM
dsquared writes:
I must say I find it hard to regard the fact that employees are protected by common law against the tort of defamation to be a "government action". Posted February 23, 2005 4:39 AM
Jon writes:
I should agree with John, as a manager and an employee I see both sides of the coin. We have an expression "damn with faint praise." that covers what John says. In fact, if a recommendation is too vitrolic, it may get viewed as a reflection on the employer! More likely, an employee committing theft will get off easy because he has "dirt" on the employer. BTW, employers have been sued for given a good recommendation to an employee with a history of violent behavior. Posted February 23, 2005 6:04 AM
Bernard Yomtov writes:
Apparently the complaint here is that firms are discouraged from providing honest information on ex-employees for fear of a lawsuit. Hence the available information has a positive bias. But if such lawsuits were prohibited, or the ones Caplan would like to see were allowed, then the information would be biased negatively instead. After all, there is often animosity when an employee leaves. Lawsuit-immune ex-bosses could, and sometimes would, be unduly critical. Posted February 23, 2005 5:48 PM
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