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The author at Right Mind in a related article titled re: Privatizing Social Security writes:
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Patrick R. Sullivan writes:
If conferring asset ownership to individuals rather than to the government can effectively increase national saving and investment without reducing work-incentives, the future benefits funded by present law payroll taxes could be higher or those taxes could be reduced. Hence, separating the issue of fixing Social Security's insolvency from that of introducing personal accounts is inappropriate. Ownership and management of retirement assets by the government has been shown to be ineffective. It's time to adopt a new approach. Which nicely sums up what is wrong with the Axis of Ostrich, 'Do Nothing Til You Hear From Me, Because Something Might Turn Up', approach that is so in vogue on the left. Posted July 5, 2005 9:44 AM
Victor writes:
Yes, but it's only "brilliant" because a) the implicit pension obligations were already priced into GM's bond rating, I distrust the ability of even modern portfolio theory to deliver (c) on a macroeconomic basis, I trust that (b) will never happen, although it is conceivable that borrowing and locking in low rates today is a good idea, and I am entirely skeptical of (a). Brilliant for one does not mean brilliant for all. Posted July 5, 2005 1:24 PM
Technologydude writes:
The problem, as I see it, is much larger than Social Security. We are trending in the direction of too few productive people supporting too many unproductive people. This is certainly one of the reasons Medicare and Medicaid costs have been soaring. Solutions involve hard decisions about raising revenue and/or decreasing benefits, but they do not involve investing in the stock market. That may be a political solution, but it is not an economic solution. Instead of simply relying on a historical perspective, where there has been predominantly a large net investment into the stock market, we should find out what a significant, long term withdrawal would do. Demographics insures this scenario. Does anyone out there know how much of a net withdrawal creates how much of a stock market decline? How much of a decline can we expect for, say, a 100 billion dollar net withdrawal in a year? If we don't know, the scheme is simply too risky. Posted July 5, 2005 3:53 PM
jldugger writes:
One critical difference between GM and your average taxpayer is the resources dedicated to outperforming the investment. 120 people is a lot, and outperforming the market is rare, especially over multiple years. We've seen it demonstrated over and over that a lot of personal investments are poorly made. People put significant amounts of their paycheck into money market accounts. Diversification means investing in five stocks. College students frequently find themselves mired in high interest credit card debt. Mutual fund companies regularly outperform their own funds, ie it would have been smarter to invest in the company selling their product than the product itself. Also, it's important to note that GM's junk bond status is in part because of their move to explicitly fund the pensions. So to call it brilliant because it locked in great rates (for them) is a bit peculiar. In constrast with GM, the US bond market is broadly expected to be the low hurdle of interest rates, reguardless of how much is issued. If you want to eliminate Social Security, why not be out with it? I have a suspcision that few politicians want to actually eliminate SS as they want to grease the wheels of mutual funds and stock brokers by the forced participation of an undereducated investor. As a member of the "future generations" category, I don't see a great preference for either leaving things are or selling more bonds to cover the shortfall. I guess the good news is that despite the underrepresentation of my generation in Washington, the costs of the change will be ridiculusly low. Posted July 5, 2005 6:48 PM
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