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The author at South(west)paw in a related article titled ariel rubinstein vs. matthew rabin: round 2 writes:
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bernie writes:
Bryan, The attitude that behavioral economists have is similar to the one of behavioral theorists. Smug. They tout phenomena which they do not really explain in a truly cognitive manner. The difference is that behavioral theorist actually developed the field and economist are now claiming what was found over 30 years ago largely by psychologists. I am sympathetic with those who challenge behavioralist on ecological validity. Many of the phenomena presented have no ecological validity. That is, where are people actually confronted with the choices that they use to demonstrate preference changes. One may even argue they have no external validity. In which, operating markets do we see the behaviors they build theories around. This opens the question whether internal validity and construct validity are addressed at all by behavioralists. This brings me to a more fundamental issue. Are behavioral economists even studying economics. Where are the markets? Without them we are speaking psychology. Why are economist not trained in psychology studying psychology? Posted October 27, 2005 6:48 PM
Steve Sailer writes:
Surprise, surprise, this dubious Israeli daycare "experiment" plays a featured role in Steven D. Levitt's "Freakonomics." Posted October 27, 2005 7:47 PM
Barkley Rosser writes:
Rubinstein has a history of engaging in histrionic critiques of this and that. Quite a bit of this is overdone, although there certainly has been some overdone self-satisfied huffing and puffing going on by some behavioral economists. Regarding Rabin, he has been criticized by some other behavioral/experimental economists, notably GMU's Vernon Smith, who argues that Rabin is way too conventional in trying to even bother with assuming the existence of utility functions with all these special characteristics. While there may be some loose ends in the Israeli kindergarten study, there are other studies that show the same phenomenon that are now in the process of being published. Rubinstein beat the parrot to smithereens on that one, and he frankly looks like the referee who did not get his way regarding the ultimate handling of a paper. That sort of thing looks even more petty than the whining of the author whose paper is rejected by a journal. As for bernie's remark, what would you consider to be a "truly cognitive manner"? That many behavioral econ papers are loose with their theory may be true. But then many of them consider that they have seriously undermined at least the standard theory, and that it also true. Posted October 27, 2005 11:25 PM
Mikael writes:
Quoting S. Sailer: "Surprise, surprise, this dubious Israeli daycare "experiment" plays a featured role in Steven D. Levitt's "Freakonomics."". - Well, it is hard to evaluate Rubins claim about how the study was performed. However, the results should come as no surprise to anyone familiar with the literature on behavioral econ. Individuals are of course motivated not only by monetary incentives, but also by social incentives. There are by now plentiful of papers showing how monetary incentive can have the opposite result given the view of neoclassical theory. Montetary incentives can in many cases replace social incentives, and if the monetary is lower than the social cost...what's the surprise? Most individuals also care about status, self-image, relative position in society etcetera. This is evident to everyone with their eyes open and also thoroughly proven in the behavioral literature. This might upset hardcore neoclassicals, but hardly anyone else. Posted October 28, 2005 4:56 AM
Baxter writes:
Surprise, surprise, this dubious Israeli daycare "experiment" plays a featured role in Steven D. Levitt's "Freakonomics." Surprise, surprise, that Steve Sailer has another claim on Freakonomics. Posted October 28, 2005 11:35 AM
Paul writes:
Here’s a good quote from an interview with Robert Aumann; I have grave doubts about what’s called “behavioral Or as Milton Friedman said (something like) its not that people are necessarily rational but they act as if they were. I think finance people and economists are intellectually frustrated at their inability to “improve upon” EMH and rational expectations. They try so hard to be physicists instead of political philosophers. Posted October 29, 2005 7:40 AM
Barkley Rosser writes:
Yes, Aumann agrees with Rubinstein on this, or perhaps it is more accurate to say that Rubinstein agrees with Aumann, who has long been a defender of the orthodox rational agent model. It is not sufficient to simply state that because Milton Friedman said so, therefore people "behave as if they are rational." This is something that can be studied empirically, and not just in labs or surveys or whatever. Thus, back in 1979 Daniel Hausman documented that people in buying various appliances for which one could pay more for ones that saved energy later, people were exhibiting extremely high internal discount rates, early evidence for the hyperbolic discounting that Rubinstein does not like. Now one can stuff this kind of thing into the rational agent model if one does enough exaggerated contortions, but it gets to looking pretty ridiculous. BTW, just because lots of agents do not conform to rationality (and many financial markets violate the EMH, at least for extended periods of time), this does not mean that there are no rational agents or efficient markets (which do not necessarily coincide, anyway). Posted October 29, 2005 3:43 PM
mstanley writes:
Bernie's initial point is a good one. A surprising amount of behavioral economics is economists rediscovering stuff that psychologists demonstrated decades ago. The Gneezy and Rustichinni paper is a good example -- psychologists have talked about how external motivations (like cash) displace internal (ethical, pleasure, etc.) motivations for quite some time. The unique contribution of economists ought to be showing how this happens in a market context, why it is not displaced by arbitrage, etc. There has definitely been some good work doing this, particularly in areas like pensions (401K behavior) and finance. But too much stuff is essentially experimental. Psychologists are better at experimental design than economists are. Posted October 30, 2005 2:40 PM
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