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Steve Sailer writes:
There's a worldwide trend toward dynasticism, especially in the "emerging" democracies of Southern Asia, but also in the U.S., where it's quite possible that just two families, the Bushes and Clintons, will control the White House for 28 years straight, from 1989 to 2017. The problem with dynasticism has always been regression toward the mean as the offspring of the dynamic founder of the dynasty turn out to be less formidable than the orginal. Advances in human cloning, however, might get around that problem. You can read all about it in my National Post article on dynasticism at: Posted October 21, 2005 3:24 PM
Lancelot Finn writes:
A reminder of the sense in which mortality is a mercy: it puts a limit on how much evil a person can do. Whether or not there is some way for totalitarians to solve the problem of succession, this is a reminder of one of the great virtues of democracy: we're really good at succession. If you think about the Republican field for '08, for example, some of the top contenders, like Giuliani, McCain, and Condi Rice, are notable precisely because of the ways they go against the grain in some respect. Giuliani's zero-tolerance policy; McCain's breaking with the Republicans on all sorts of issues; Rice defying her demographic to rise through the Republican party. It is by not being just apparatchiks that they are able to gain national stature. Democracy, with its internal diversity, can not just continue, but renew itself from within, and evolve. This will be hard for totalitarians to replicate. Posted October 21, 2005 3:47 PM
James writes:
I'm not worried. Even with the succession problem out of the way, totalitarianism would only be sustainable if it were possible for a government to convince a vast majority of the public that the behavior of the state's agents should not be judged by the same moral standards used to judge the behavior of everyone else. Oh wait... Posted October 21, 2005 7:31 PM
Tim Worstall writes:
Hope you used the example of Water Empires? Great sci-fi book (Niven? Pournelle?) where they explore this idea. With no outside factors to push change certain totalitarian states have existed for very long periods of time (some thousands in the case of Egypt) and a world government would suffer from the same problem. Who would know what to compare it with? Where to find the example of something different or better? Posted October 22, 2005 5:37 AM
Biopolitical writes:
Bryan, I recommend you this book: Posted October 22, 2005 3:35 PM
Herb Kahler writes:
If world government is ultimately inevitable, and if it evolves willy-nilly, thru the happenstance of coercive world events and the relative strength of one nation or group of nations, then it is likely to arise as some sort of empire or colonial structure favoring one group, probably a minority, over others. Not generally representative, not democratic; possibly totalitarian. (Most mentions of a world government or single world order seem to assume, in fact, that it will be a totalitarian super-state that controls too much of our lives.) Then, if this totalitarian order learns how to succeed itself intelligently, we earthlings and our progeny are in for a permanent aristocracy, or at least one lasting as long as Egypt or Rome, which ruled the known worlds of their day. Thus a world order arrived at willy-nilly is not to be desired except by those who think they and their children will be in the privileged minority who emerge as the ruling class. For all the rest of us earthlings, a political arrangement so evolved is a thing to be dreaded. The only hope, therefore (since some sort of single world order is ultimately inevitable), is a world government arrived at by plan, by a blueprint representing the wishes of a majority of us, arrived at and installed democratically. It would have to be a world government controlled by us all, through time, via constitutional designation and restraint of powers, with built-in protection of the minority from excesses of the majority. Such a planned world order would not be a thing to dread, but a future to hope for. In addition to being our only defense against the otherwise inevitable evolution of a totalitarian world, it could be a desirable world without war, with the means to settle disputes among nations justly and peacefully, and to distribute the fruits of our bountiful planet more fairly among us earth dwellers. (As an aside, I must stress that the U.N. is definitely NOT such an organization, nor can it ever be transmogrified into one, because it is not by any stretch of the imagination representative of the majority of earthlings, and because it lacks the power to enforce those few resolutions it does manage to get past the unanimous approval of the privileged five states -- the victors of World War II -- that established it in the first place.) It seems sensible, then, that the specific form of a planned world government is a thing we should be debating rationally, so that we can come up with a world constitution that would be acceptable to us all. Posted October 22, 2005 5:52 PM
James writes:
Herb, What would stop your ideal global democracy by plan from evolving willy-nilly into a totalitarian world government? Many countries have pieces of paper that say "Politician, limit your own power. Majority, don't abuse minorities, etc." We can observe how readily governments disregard these pieces of paper today. I can only imagine how much more readily government officials would disregard limitations on their powers if their subjects had no exit option. Posted October 22, 2005 7:00 PM
Herb Kahler writes:
James, Two things would tend to lessen a planned global democracy's evolving willy-nilly into a totalitarian regime whose subjects had no exit option (that is,had no alternative, competing governments with strength enough to intervene or to serve as refugee havens). (1) That piece of paper, if properly done, would have set up institutions with sufficiently balanced internal powers to at least hamper a potential despot's ability to overturn them. (2) That very lack of alternative competing governments would deprive our potential despot the excuse he needs to acquire extraordinary powers: an external enemy. Hitler could blame Germany's sorry condition on excessive reparations imposed from without; Chavez and Castro can point to the US bogeyman; the Axis of Evil have G.W.Bush as their villain; and most terrorist supporters resent the presence of U.S. military forces in their countries, protecting U.S. 'interests' there. In the opposite direction, the Bush/Cheney-Blair-Howard point of view justify acquiring extraordinary powers in order to combat outside terrorist forces poised to harm us. Since a truly global federation would have no established military that the would-be despot could corrupt to his advantage, his ability to force his way to further power would be somewhat less (although there would be police forces at the various levels of government). It could be done, of course: a totalitarian global government could possibly emerge. But it would be less likely to happen under a planned constitutional order, properly transitioned, than if we had set up nothing in advance and let the present international anarchy prevail and gradually stumble its way into some sort of empire of the stronger. Take your choice. Posted October 23, 2005 12:27 AM
gary lammert writes:
While this is but a blink of the eye in terms of man's time on earth, the end of a 147 year economic cycle has some relevance with regards to what may immediately lie ahead for the global macroeconomy... the current fractal perspective..... Google's Telltale EEG (Exclamation Exhaustion Gap) Spike Near It is fitting that the current three year 30/75/60 weekly The exhaustion upped Google's PE ratio from 74 to 75. Google is a The Wilshire 5000 equity valuation is ultimately and primarily fueled In the 1929 primary devolution, the DJIA first fractal decay base of The market equity valuations will grow only as long as growing money Friday 21 October 2005 was a generally unrecognized turning point for The other telltale occurrence was the completion of a three phase The primary low is anticipated in about 40-55 trading days consistent The current best estimation of the inverse grow of decay fractal is 15 Expect nonlinearity. Gary Lammert http://www.economicfractalist.com/ Posted October 23, 2005 12:10 PM
James writes:
Herb, You write "It could be done, of course: a totalitarian global government could possibly emerge. But it would be less likely to happen under a planned constitutional order, properly transitioned, than if we had set up nothing in advance and let the present international anarchy prevail and gradually stumble its way into some sort of empire of the stronger. Take your choice." I choose to disregard your assertion about the conditional probability of global dictatorship on planning until you show me the data you used to calculate. If the options are limited to the two that you mention, planned world government or unplanned world government, I don't care to make any a priori assumptions as to which will go sour first, so I see both as equally bad. That leaves me with a small preference for an unplanned world government since it would take longer before it came to be and I'd probably not live to see it. But your dilemma seems like a false one. Call me a dreamer but I favor a third outcome, a gradual change in moral attitudes so that people will get it out of their heads that governments are entitled to some kind of moral holiday. Just imagine, a brave new world where people react to initiating a war, to the establishment of a cartel by violently barring entry to an industry, to funding one's activities through theft, to printing money in order to obscure one's operating costs, etc, in the same way every time whether the agency doing the destructive behavior is a government, a corporation or a bowling league. Any plan to establish a global government would have to be based on a tacit acceptance of the idea that these destructive activities are destructive only when the doer is not a government. I see no reason to make the exception. Posted October 23, 2005 8:48 PM
Roger McKinney writes:
A longer view of history shows that democracies are fragile. Look at ancient Greek and Roman ones. In early modern Europe, before absolutism, parliaments had sprung up in France and Spain, but anarchy caused people to surrender their newly won power to a monarch who could guarantee security. Nazism came to power partly because of the chaos of the twenties and thirties in Germany. So here's another way that totalitarianism can take over: Increasing levels of anarchy cause the people to willingly surrender freedom in exchange for relief from the chaos and crime, most of which the future dictators had instigated. Once in power, dictators ignore the law, or install judges who interpret the law in their favor, murder and jail opponents. They're difficult to dislodge. Posted October 24, 2005 8:43 AM
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