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Sam writes:
This study by Dennis Mueller is relevant. The abstract: Considerable concern has been expressed in recent years about declines in voter participation rates in the United States and in several other major democratic countries. Some feel low participation rates introduce a "class bias" into the political process and thereby worsen the outcomes from it. Little empirical work exists, however, that measures the effects of lower participation on the welfare of a country. This paper begins to fill this void. It presents cross-national evidence that high levels of democratic participation are associated with more equal distributions of income. The paper's results also imply, however, that this reduction in income inequality comes at a cost. High participation rates are related to larger government sectors which in turn lead to slower economic growth. We also present evidence of the "capture" of government by upper income groups in Latin and Central American countries. Posted January 27, 2006 11:43 AM
David Thomson writes:
I am reminded of the scene in The Remains of the Day where the Nazi sympathizer insults the butler for his modest education. This elitist snob is irritated that such citizens have the right to voter. After all, what does the house servant know about the intricacies of politics? Democracy is indeed awful. It’s simply better, As Winston Churchill pointed out, than all the rest. Bill Buckley famously said that he would rather be governed by the first hundred names in the phone book than the faculty of Harvard University. Is this best that we can do? Yup, I’m afraid so. Did somebody promise you a rose garden? Well, you should punch them in the nose for lying to you. Posted January 27, 2006 11:45 AM
Daveg writes:
People don't understand what democracy is. It's not whether the mob should rule, but how. All it does is replace a violent mob rule with an orderly one. Is many cases, however, this is pretty good. That said, we don't really live in a democracy here in america, as least for the important decisions. If we did we would still have segregation, we would still have prayer is public schools, abortion (and maybe birth control) would be illegal in most states, and children here illegally would not be allowed to attend public schools. When you think about it, we would look at lot more like the arab countries we currently look down on. Posted January 27, 2006 12:08 PM
daveg writes:
Along that line, what do you econ types think of segragation and the banning therof? For the most part, these were private companies that were simply electing to serve who they wanted to - freedom of association. The heavy handed federal "government" came down and said such activity affected "interstate commerce" and banned it. This stretching of the interstate commerce clause was a fallout of the new deal rulings saying the feds could regulate all sorts of activity that was previously found outside the scope of interstate commerce. Not a very libertarian action, no? Posted January 27, 2006 12:57 PM
Matt McIntosh writes:
Personally I like this idea of making voting contingent on a simple math question: If one million people are taxed $1 each, and the money is given to one of them, how much wealth has been created? Posted January 27, 2006 1:17 PM
eric writes:
The essence of Western Liberalism is the impartial judge and property rights, not referedums and plebiscites. Posted January 27, 2006 1:50 PM
Randy writes:
Matt, Good game, but I think you've got to eliminate b as well. There is always a loss in a redistributive transaction if only the small amount of time value lost in moving the money from one person's wallet to another's. And of course if government is involved, then the redistributer will get a fat percentage. Posted January 27, 2006 2:00 PM
george writes:
daveg: You actually have it backwards. Jim Crow laws were imposed by the southern state governments in the face of anti-Jim Crow lobying by southern corporations. Rich southeners did not need Jim Crow laws to limit their interaction with blacks. They were against segregation because it would cost them money. It was poor southeners who seized control of the state governments in the 1890s through various populist programmes who passed laws restricting the freedom of association, i.e. segregation. Similarly in the northern states unions used collective bargaining to restrict northern businesses from exercising freedom of association and to restrict jobs to whites. Posted January 27, 2006 5:07 PM
daveg writes:
You actually have it backwards. Jim Crow laws were imposed by the southern state governments in the face of anti-Jim Crow lobying by southern corporations. These two points are not exclusive. Establishments throughout the united states including restaurants and hotels volutarily forbid black from using their facilities. One can only assume they felt such restrictions were good for business, although they may have done this against their economic interest. Now, the state certainly committed other acts, but that is a different topic. Posted January 27, 2006 7:02 PM
CC writes:
It wasn't a scholarly work, but does any of the "Wisdom of Crowds" come into play here? I'm one of the few people in my family to have a college degree, but most of my relatives are very smart. Collectively they have a lot of wisdom on just about every topic. ...of course no one of them is right about everything. But I think that goes for very smart people too. I think part of being human is being blind to our deepest flaws in mind and habit. The idea of democracy is that the crowd balances our bad habits out. Posted January 28, 2006 11:45 AM
daveg writes:
We should also add the obvious but often overlooked fact that we do not have a democracy, but rather a republic, and a highly structured republic, with designed in checks and balances, at that. Posted January 28, 2006 1:21 PM
Robert writes:
When the U.S. had a restricted franchise, it also had far fewer people per representative. The Western States that first gave women the vote are hardly known as big-government bastions. But then, they haven't experienced population growth in the same degree as other parts of the country. I submit that decreasing the degree of representation would do far more for improving the quality of democracy than restricting the franchise to some class. As things presently stand, the average citizen may hold bad ideas about policy, but has almost no incentive to acquire good ideas: there is no point in changing one's opinion when your opinion is irrelevant in the face of popular opinion. But if the opinions of individuals mattered, then they might have some incentive to hold good opinions. Posted January 28, 2006 10:04 PM
Chris Bolts writes:
While I am a libertarian, daveg, I believe that the government was correct in enacting the Civil Rights Act. After the ruling of Brown v. Board of Education we saw a tendency for Whites to use local and state laws to circumvent the ruling and delay the speed at which they were supposed to integrate schools (no thanks to Earl Warren's "with all deliberate speed" vague wording). The Civil Rights simply made it illegal to discriminate and made it easier for discriminated individuals to sue. I think that if it weren't for the federal government getting involved the US wouldn't be as far along in race relations as it is today. Posted January 30, 2006 5:21 PM
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