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kawika writes:
Without sounding too much like a cheerleader, way to go! The prospect of leaving something as ubiquitous as happiness out of the realm of scientific inquiry simply because it seems hard to quantify or because it "belongs" out side... to me that smacks of the commonly held position advocating leaving economics out of the sciences because it couldnt imediately show results as concrete as physics or biology... and without the scientific study of economics where would we be? Posted March 2, 2006 5:38 AM
Adam writes:
Right. We all need a science of happiness, to tell us just how we can achieve it. It will never happen. You might as well be asking for science to find a way to make your like fulfilling. Things like "Happiness" and "fulfillment" are concepts that have only a fleeting connection with reality, and certainly aren't measurable. Why do you think this research is important? First of all, how do you propose it ever be conducted scientifically? Second of all, to what end do you see this as helping anyone? Posted March 2, 2006 8:32 AM
Matt writes:
Amen to Adam. Why it is that smart people waste their time bothering at all with "happiness research" is an answer I'd like to have. (Lucky for me, I'm not smart, so my typings here have not been a waste of time.) Posted March 2, 2006 10:25 AM
Cyberike writes:
I appreciate reading the research on happiness because it illustrates just how illogical we are. How logical is it that we judge our own happiness by comparing ourselves with others? As silly as it sounds, I know it is true from my own experience. By thinking through the rational for unhappiness, I believe I can control it. I can consiously change the way I think, focusing on what I have rather than what I do not have. Even the concept of being able to control my happiness, if only slightly, makes me happier. Logically, Adam is doing the same thing that unhappy people do: focus on things that are not happening instead of things that are. Let me give you an exapmle: I bought a car because I liked it. Later, I became unhappy when I found out I could have bought what may have been a better car for a lower price. Unhappy I was. But wait a minute: I like my car. How logical is it that I am unhappy because of something that might have happened? Look at happiness research from another angle: it is shown we are unhappy when we blame others for our mis-fortune. Now that we know what the research shows, why would we do something that we know makes us unhappy? The lesson: Quit blaming others. Accept the reality that we have to live with the result. Become happier as a result. Posted March 2, 2006 2:07 PM
Barkley Rosser writes:
Adam and Matt, Well, this happiness research is not much less scientific than pretty much all of social science. It is all very soft, even experimental economics, even pure axiomatic economic theory (which has not much to do with the real world economy), not even high-powered time-series econometrics of tick-by-tick financial series. It is all ultimately pretty mushy. So, no one, certainly not Lowenstein or Easterlin or Kahnemann or any of the other big cheese happiness researchers is so stupid as to make claims that they are finding the "true answer to how to be happy." People better go to church or the Dalai Lama or their therapist or a mountaintop or whatever or wherever to figure that one out (or maybe ask their mother). What can be found are general trends and averages, and this is found by simply asking people, lots of people over long periods of time. Sure, one can say, people do not know what they are talking about; they lie, they are fools, blah blah. And certainly one must be careful about making cross country comparisons and even cross person comparisons for well known reasons. But comparisons for a given person over time may well be quite meaningful, and a lot of these generalizations are now coming from panel studies that do that. There is simply now a huge amount of data that is pretty usable, as long as one does not make too much of it. Posted March 2, 2006 3:13 PM
Tom Anger writes:
What is the purpose of "happiness research"? Is it to help government make "better" policy? God forbid. Is it a plaything for economists? Sounds like it. The best gauge of happiness is what people actually do when confronted with choices in the real world -- it's called revealed preference (as you know). It works for me. Posted March 2, 2006 5:36 PM
Timothy writes:
Happiness research, up to this point, hasn't seemed a playing for economists so much as a plaything for mediocre psychologists hell bent on PROVING that economics is worthless so we should all use their pet theories instead. Posted March 2, 2006 5:51 PM
G.O. Chess writes:
For further research background regarding the topic of Happiness at the intersection of economics and psychometric psychology, see Best regards, Posted March 2, 2006 11:08 PM
Adam writes:
Barkley has a point, I think--any research/information is useful, so long as you don't make too much of it. The problem is that it sounds like Brian WANTS some happiness research that you can make more of, and I don't think it's going to happen. Posted March 3, 2006 7:31 AM
Jason Ligon writes:
I just can't shake the New Coke problem. Self reporting has a terrible record. Posted March 3, 2006 1:45 PM
jon o writes:
As an outsider who got here from a google query - after perusing the comments, my blink-desicion is that in general the happier you are about happiness research, the happier you are. :) Posted March 3, 2006 11:04 PM
Adam writes:
Ah yes, but can you say that ten times fast? Posted March 4, 2006 1:43 AM
Alcibiades writes:
Consider that for most of us, who base our libertarian ethos on utilitarian grounds, happiness--achieving it, maximizing it, raising it across nations/groups/individuals--is THE most important thing we can do. (Longevity ties happiness I suppose.) That being said, we damn well ought to keep working on a metric to quantify happiness (fmris showing activity in the nucleus accumbens?), and on means (i suggest pharmacological) to up said happiness. Posted March 4, 2006 2:27 AM
Adam writes:
So, let me see if I've got your logic here, Alcibiades: The ideology that I have bought into requires the maximization of happiness. Therefore, there must be a way to quantify happiness. Maybe I'm oversimplifying, but even giving your argument the benefit of the doubt, this hardly sounds like science. Posted March 4, 2006 10:06 PM
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