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michael vassar writes:
"In short, the charities would be worse off by switching to a more efficient mechanism because of reduced participation. " Posted July 24, 2006 8:26 AM
michael vassar writes:
"In short, the charities would be worse off by switching to a more efficient mechanism because of reduced participation. " Posted July 24, 2006 11:41 AM
Paul Gowder writes:
This is obviously correct. Have you ever looked at the advertising for participants in these events? They all heavily, and I mean HEAVILY, flog the training aspect of the thing. The real wonder is why the falsity of the signal hasn't yet been realized by donors. If I know that you're only doing this run for the free workout training, I shouldn't interpret it as a signal of the worthiness of the training, right? Posted July 24, 2006 11:48 AM
Acad Ronin writes:
Why don't we see a "trash pickup for the cure?" I think a trash pickup in a blighted neighbourhood would send a costly signal as it would be unpleasant and do the participants little good, beyond making them feel virtuous. It would also have positive external benefits beyond those of a run/walk/bike, etc. Posted July 24, 2006 12:51 PM
NeedleFactory writes:
I learned recently that the entry fee for an upcoming marathon here in San Francisco is more than one hundred dollars. Posted July 24, 2006 1:09 PM
mjrmjr writes:
As NTs are a very small percentage of the population(a few percent, maybe?) I can't imagine that charity organizers are overly worried about losing their participation. That is, if they are even aware of MBTI classifications. "Charity walks will raise less money than events that allow walking but that also reward folks who come in first." I like this idea a lot in theory but I question how the determination and subsequent "handicapping" of individuals fitness levels would work in practice. Might the idea of being judged on one's fitness before taking part in such an event dissuade the least fit people from participating? My guess is that it would. Thus, while approbation for the less fit is a great idea, the actions that would be required to get a *true* measure of one's fitness going into the event(getting someone to step on a scale, bodyfat composition testing, etc) would probably deter many from participating. This NT agrees with a lot of the criticisms of charity walks/runs in this posting but on the whole I can't get too worked up over it. For one, it's a great thing to have enough money and spare time to even be able to donate/participate in something like this at all. I applaud anyone who gives of their time and money to a worthwhile cause. Two, with the obesity epidemic this country currently faces I think that *any* motivation to get excercising is a good thing. Posted July 24, 2006 3:41 PM
Eric Crampton writes:
mjrmjr: I wasn't suggesting that the event start handicapping participants; rather, that the folks sponsoring each participant have a rough idea of how that participant would do if he put in a serious effort. For some, just completing the event is evidence of serious effort; for others, coming in at a good time is evidence. The event that allows both to demonstrate serious effort does better if signalling drives things. As for applause, wouldn't it be louder if the participants were actually doing something useful? Paul Gowder: I'm thinking of the race still constituting a costly signal where the participant has a metapreference for training but at any period would shirk; the race enforces the training effort but the signal remains costly because the participant would otherwise shirk in any period. Posted July 24, 2006 3:55 PM
floydthebarber writes:
mjrmjr obviously doesn't live near any venues that frequently host such events, and thus doesn't have to pay the private cost of dealing with road closures, detours, litter, noise, and general hassle. Posted July 28, 2006 9:06 AM
Steven Jens writes:
I seem to recall reading somewhere or seeing on television (I apologize for the anti-citation) that fraternity hazing rituals are far less effective if instead of being wasteful, stupid, and often dangerous, they are made socially worthwhile. I think the suggested explanation had to do with cognitive dissonance -- that while someone required to drink urine in order to join a fraternity would have no rationalization except that joining the fraternity was worth the cost. Someone who is required to help clean a park to join a fraternity could rationalize that, hey, I helped clean a park. Posted July 28, 2006 8:08 PM
Giedrius writes:
While training for my 12th marathon, it struck me that Eric was right as usual about what's really going on with charity runs, but he failed to mention the largest private benefit for the participants. I have a wonderful wife, but for a few fellow runners of mine the life would be much easier if they could say "hey, I am not going out this evening because I care for homeless children / species getting extinct / [whatever]". Perhaps we should introduce charity aspect in running events in our part of world as well. Posted July 29, 2006 4:15 AM
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