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Randomscrub writes:
Speaking of textbooks... I'm working on a paper for a class chasing down the "is economics a science" meme, and I was wondering if you had any recommendations for a good book on the history of economics? I'm trying to use Kuhn and the concepts of "normal science" and "scientific revolution" to look at the history of economics, which, fittingly enough, seems at least superficially related to the "normal economics" theme above. Posted March 6, 2007 9:27 AM
Timothy writes:
You might try The Worldly Philosophers by Robert Heilbroner. Posted March 6, 2007 10:24 AM
Heather writes:
Having taken the intro classes in economics, I can say that while it might be more interesting to some students to do this, the majority already find economics difficult with just the basics, so unless the desire is to "weed out" those individuals, this might be something that would be more appropriate in higher level courses, or in a course specifically aimed at alternative economic theory. Posted March 6, 2007 11:09 AM
Lauren Landsburg writes:
Hi, Randomscrub. Fascinating class! These references might be more historical than your class is interested in, but here are some readable discussions of the question of "is economics a science?" that are available online. In historical order of publication: The development of economics as a science both as a matter of mathematical modeling and as testable hypotheses (though not via controlled experiments) was explored by Adam Smith and even previous writers. The French physiocrat Quesnay depicted an economy as a flow analogous to human circulation--an attempt to systematize economics and perhaps to compare it to the most experimentally "scientific" of fields available in Quesnay's day--medicine. Posted March 6, 2007 11:18 AM
conchis writes:
Normal economics is prejudiced against free markets? Wow. Posted March 6, 2007 11:26 AM
Will writes:
#2 is critically important, and I am not sure why more "normal" economists fail to embrace it. I think it offers a good argument for why every PhD student in economics ought to take a good course in economic history and/or economic development. Once you begin to grasp what life was like for most ordinary people, even as recently as 100 years ago, Or what life is like for most people in the third world today, it's hard to avoid the conclusion that economic growth ought to be the primary goal of policy. Shuffling money around on the table right now is just pocket change to what only a decade or two of steady growth might be able to offer to the poor and middle class. Of course, for anyone more concerned about relative status than absolute standards of living, I guess I can understand why this doesn't seem like a persuasive argument. Posted March 6, 2007 11:33 AM
jp writes:
Classes that adhere strictly to the "normal" view are dull. But classes that don't teach the "normal" view are a rip-off, unless of course they're advertised as being non-normal. IMO the best approach, at least in an introductory class, would be to spend most of the time on the "normal" view but also to provide competing views from time to time, even if they're only the competing views that the professor personally favors (being identified as such). Also, I agree with Will. Posted March 6, 2007 3:21 PM
Matt writes:
I have never seen economist cause so much confusion than in explaining the monetary system. How could a simple system of issuing printing limited edition prints of presidents be complicated? Posted March 6, 2007 4:07 PM
Nathan Smith writes:
I think "normal" economics is prejudiced both for and against free markets, in different ways. On the one hand, it tends to adopt idealized assumptions of perfect information and perfect competition, and of "rational" agents, that make the market work more smoothly than it really does. Also, although economists acknowledge the existence of market failures, too much emphasis on market failures would undermine the brilliant Econ 101 message that price equilibrates supply and demand and generates a Pareto-optimal result, and thus cuts against the interests of the entire discipline. Market failures are under-emphasized for this reason. On the other hand, when government interventions are proposed, the government is generally assumed, in strangely simplistic fashion, to be motivated by nothing other than to maximize the utility of its subjects! The motive for this assumption is probably the same as the motive for the rational agent assumption-- analytical simplicity-- but the effect is that economists make private agents look far too bad, or at any rate amoral, and government agents look far too good. My response to the biases of "normal" economics is something like this. (1) Yes, there are market failures, and probably a lot more of them than you ordinarily address; externalities, in particular, are so pervasive that to recognize their extent is to become rather comprehensively skeptical of the case for the free market. (2) BUT the usual method for prescribing "policy responses" to market failures rests on methodologically shaky ground, for why should we assume that governments are benevolent if private individuals are self-interested? This question cuts both ways. If we believe in selfish private agents, we should try to model governments that consist of selfish agents: that's the direction public choice theory takes. On the other hand, maybe we think that governments do behave, at least some of the time, in beneficent fashion. But if governments are capable of altruism, why not private individuals, or private associations? (3) This is where I'd borrow Arnold Kling's "civil societarian" motto and recommend that economists do more research into the behavior of voluntary associations and civil society entities. As far as I can tell, these entities are still mostly "below the radar." This category may include some public entities which rely on civil society and voluntary organizations for support: thus, in suburban public schools, the government pays the teachers' salaries, but it's because parent associations participate in school governance and support school activities through volunteering that the schools perform so much better than their inner-city counterparts. Economists should figure out how to design prescriptions targeted less to governments, and more to non-coercion-based public-interest organizations. Posted March 6, 2007 5:49 PM
Mark W writes:
After listening to Russ's podcasts, one could describe the Smith-Hayek identity as evolutionary economics. Pro: It fits with the idea of spontaneous ordering. Con: The term evolution can be rather incendiary... Posted March 7, 2007 11:39 PM
TWV writes:
Let me see if I can get this straight: some economists who defend the market by compensating for its failures, on the theoretical level, by pointing out government failures, see a market failure in economics textbooks? Very, very droll. Posted March 8, 2007 1:45 PM
Barkley Rosser writes:
Fairly successful textbook writer David Colander has what he calls "the 15% rule." It amounts to the observation that it is professors who decide which textbooks will be used and they like to be able to use their old notes. Therefore, a successful new textbook in any sub-area of economics, or at the principles level, cannot deviate by more than 15% from whatever the existing standard is in the most widely used textbooks in that sub-area. Hence the momentum of the normal. OTOH, Mankiw was one of the few who may have broken that rule, but in my view his Principles texts did so by simplifying and throwing out lots of material, stuff that I personally think students should be exposed to. But, they are so pathetic today we must spoon feed them a simplified pap instead of bothering them with a broader scope of issues and topics. Posted March 10, 2007 1:54 PM
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