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The author at Economic Investigations in a related article titled News of the World #32 writes:
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Kimmitt writes:
The first isn't really happening, but a variant on the second is very much what is taking place at the University of Hawai`i. I feel very fortunate to have the high quality of the education I've received there. Posted April 23, 2007 7:30 PM
Tom S. writes:
Prof. Kling's comments are interesting, but I think some of Colander's problems mainly exist in the academic market structure. For instance, you're more likely to spawn children simply because you're a Big Five graduate. Whatever starts there will be quickly followed by lower-ranked schools just so they can get published. It's easier to go with the grain. Secondly, has there been any real revolutions in economics in the Kuhnian sense? Posted April 23, 2007 8:09 PM
Snark writes:
Tom, Secondly, has there been any real revolutions in economics in the Kuhnian sense? I commented on this a while back, calling it The French Revolution II. It's more popularly known as the Post Autistic Economics (PAE) movement, started by French college students in 2000, who said they were disillusioned with neo-classical or "mainstream" economics. They even have their own quarterly review. I'm not sure this movement qualifies as a new birth of freedom, but mainstream economics of, by, and for the people could parish from our universities as we know it. Posted April 23, 2007 11:47 PM
GeorgeM writes:
My thoughts (PhD student in Tier II university): Posted April 24, 2007 6:50 AM
ZH writes:
This post brought to mind that the field of economics needs something similar to The Mathematics Genealogy Project. Posted April 24, 2007 8:27 AM
Barkley Rosser writes:
David Colander is always very pungent and perspicacious in his observations about economic grad education. I am usually in sympathy with his views, although this might be expected from someone who is his sometimes coauthor. Regarding this post, I happen to support having more teaching of history of thought. Unfortunately, as the GMU lunch crowd can attest, the trend is very much the other way, with what had been the leading center of history of economics, Duke University, all but shutting down their program in this area for grad study. I also agree that more weight should be given to books (monographs) than is currently. I have heard it said that in some places writing a book may be viewed negatively (and certainly writing a textbook is, which is presumably its own reward, especially if it is at all successful). An extreme example involves a place where the views are from those of this blog, although Arnold and Bryan might have sympathy for these folks. I am speaking of the heterodox econ department at the Notre Dame, which had its grad program taken away from it and handed to a completely conventional, newly created department. Among those protesting this were Deirdre McCloskey and also Solow, who publicly declared that "what we do not need is another fourth rate MIT program in the US" (or maybe it was only "third rate"). This was driven by the dean wanting a "highly ranked" department according to measures of citations of journal articles, and the existing department was dominated by people writing books, some of them very influential and important, especially in the history of economics, notably Philip Mirowski and his _More Heat than Light_ and _Machine Dreams_, both highly controversial and influential, but very heterodox. As a final comment I note that there is some trend towards focusing on applied economics and specific empirical issues. In a sense, _Freakonomics_ and the Clark award for Levitt was a manifestation of that, although this year's Clark award winner is much more in the formal theoretical mode, Susan Athey of Harvard. Posted April 24, 2007 8:34 AM
Barkley Rosser writes:
Uh, I meant to say that the views of the folks at Notre Dame are "far from" those of folks on this blog, as the department is pretty left-wing in its politics (the editor of Rethinking Marxism, David Ruccio, is in the department). However, I note that fairly libertarian Deirdre McCloskey, was among the department's defenders. Posted April 24, 2007 8:36 AM
dearieme writes:
"has there been any real revolutions in economics in the Kuhnian sense?" Yes, what reason can you give us not to assume that you are all just writing footnotes to Smith? Posted April 24, 2007 11:45 AM
Econ Skeptic writes:
The most important thing is to let the educated public know that economics as practiced today isn't a science, and the academic profession itself has become something on the order of a scholastic guild, almost professionally incapable of worrying much about whether it is producing sound explanations or good science. Before the house of economics can be put back in order it's likely that the elite professors controlling the profession will first have to become something like a laughing stock in the eyes of the scientific community -- and among the general educated public. This is already largely true in the case of the scientific community (e.g. a recent quote from a Nobel winner in chemistry comes to mind), and I see the trend continuing in the wider intellectual community. Colander's work is a valuable contribution in this larger context, even if in the short term his efforts will have zero influence among the current economic elite. Posted April 25, 2007 1:47 AM
PrestoPundit writes:
"has there been any real revolutions in economics in the Kuhnian sense?" Hayek's work moved economics from a world of logical givens and non-marginalist assumptions to a fully "individualist" explanatory system where unique entrepreneurial learners in a context of changing relative prices provided the causal explanatory "variable". In a sense it was a second "Kuhnian" revolution completing Menger's original marginalist revolution but extended into the fields of comparative economics, monetary theory, and distribution theory. A Kuhnian revolution developed in the teeth of the Marshall / Keynes counter-revolution against Menger's original marginalist / subjectivist revolution. Unfortunately the counter-revolution crushed the Menger / Hayek revolution and, well, here we are with the profession described by Colander. Posted April 25, 2007 2:00 AM
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