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KipEsquire writes:
I'm confused. I don't remember ever being weighed on the job, and as I understand it my medical records are private under HIPAA. What's more, "obesity" is neither a bona fide medical diagnosis nor a dummy variable (e.g., the way that "diabetes" or "HIV+" are). So where exactly are these data and studies coming from? Posted April 27, 2007 11:16 AM
Kevin Newsom writes:
Some companies now have plans that link an employee's BMI (body mass index) to their premium. If your BMI is over a certain threshold, you pay more for your insurance. Posted April 27, 2007 11:16 AM
Carl Shulman writes:
More plausibly, obesity is unpleasant to look at, employers discriminate against the obese, and this incidentally compensates for the insurance benefit. Posted April 27, 2007 1:48 PM
Floccina writes:
Carl did you miss this '—but only in workplaces that offer health coverage' or am i missing something? Posted April 27, 2007 3:23 PM
Dr. T writes:
There is a stereotype that obesity equates with laziness. A manager doing annual performance reviews of an obese worker and a slim worker may tend to underestimate the productivity of the obese employee and give a smaller (or zero) annual raise. A few years of this would result in the obese worker getting significantly less pay. The lack of such effect in workplaces that do not offer health insurance may be due to other factors such as smaller company size and lower likelihood of annual performance reviews. Posted April 27, 2007 9:53 PM
Bruce G Charlton writes:
"alcoholic workers internalize the cost of their reduced productivity" Except in the public sector, where the cost of alcoholism is absorbed by co-workers ;=)... Posted April 28, 2007 12:52 AM
Brad Hutchings writes:
I believe this. It's consistent with what I've seen in several places where I had no management responsibility but "access" to key decision makers. In small and medium companies, family size (which can determine the insurance bill for one employee) can easily affect salary. Employer has a budget for a position, and if the person filling the position costs more for insurance, they get a lower salary offer, or if it wasn't plausible to figure out their insurance burden before hiring, they don't get a raise as quickly. It's probably illegal as hell, but it happens and it should be encouraged so long as insurance is paid for with pre-tax dollars. Making such wage discrimination totally legit would encourage more employers to offer coverage. No? Posted April 28, 2007 2:16 AM
another bob writes:
My experience with a couple hundred subordinates is that the best way to increase your income/salary is to change jobs proactively and fairly often. Sounds like a freakonomics-lite question. Posted April 28, 2007 9:50 PM
Agent00yak writes:
So an alternative unnecessarily complicated theory would be that once fat people get a job with health insurance they are less likely to switch jobs than their more healthy counterparts. Therefore their wages are lower. Now, obsese people at companies without health insurance are greater risk takers, so no salary diffference shows up. One could take this argument farther and state that the risk taking nature of the obese people at companies without health insurance might overcome a downward salary bias that obese people tend to suffer. Posted April 29, 2007 3:30 PM
R.J. Lehmann writes:
Kevin, BMI is used as a metric in life insurance. Actually, it's not new at all -- actuarial tables have always included height weight, it's just recently that it's been referred to specifically as a BMI measure. But it is not, to my knowledge (which is fairly extensive in this area) used by anyone in health insurance underwriting. Certainly not in the group setting, in any case, which is what's relevant here -- group plans by definition underwrite the enterprise, without distinction between individual insureds. In the individual health market, which represents a much smaller piece of the health insurance pie, underwriting technology is actually a lot more crude than most imagine it to be. Rather than attempting to assign rating values to specific risk variables (which most insurers are hamstrung in getting approved by state regulators anyway, and in "community rating" states, are not allowed at all) they would just as soon use the presence of, eg, diabetes, heart disease, and so forth as exclusionary factors. If you have them, you can't get coverage, unless you live either in a guaranteed issue state, or one with a high-risk pool. Posted April 29, 2007 4:13 PM
M.D. Fatwa writes:
I'm curious how Bundorf separated out the negative salary effects attributable to obesity, with the also widely researched positive effects on salary attributable to physical attractiveness. This assumes, of course, that slimmer people, as a group, will tend to have a higher proportion of "physically attractive" members, but this hardly seems unlikely. Is obesity driving down one group's wages (presumably to compensate for higher healthcare costs), or are good looks driving up the salaries of the slim group? Posted April 30, 2007 12:02 AM
Fred Ghansah writes:
"More plausibly, obesity is unpleasant to look at, employers discriminate against the obese, and this incidentally compensates for the insurance benefit." If you read the study in question, you'll see that the wage penalty is only seen in companies which provide employer-sponsored health insurance. If your explanation was correct, you would see an obesity wage penalty across all companies. Pretty convincing study, if you ask me. The only thing I see that could trip them up is the assumption that jobs which provide health insurance and those that don't are not fundamentally different. Posted April 30, 2007 1:58 PM
Regina writes:
There are many laws related to human resource management that are supposed to prevent discrimination of any kind. Employees’ physical attributes should not be an issue come payday. Slim people have health problems too and just because their slim doesn't mean their immediate family is. The whole idea of paying someone less because of healthcare is not only wrong it’s also a ridiculous way for an employer to say a buck. Posted April 30, 2007 5:41 PM
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