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The author at Sacred Stew in a related article titled Wrongheadedness: Nature or nurture? writes:
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Maniakes writes:
For journalists? Life got better for the poor when technology and infrastructure had grown to the point that a worker could get more done in a 40 hour work week than his grandparents could have done in an 80 hour work week, so people didn't have to work as hard and there was still enough more stuff made for the poor and the rich to both be richer than they had been a generation or two previously. Posted September 28, 2007 3:46 PM
mgroves writes:
I don't think it's a matter of explanation: it's a matter of willful ignorance or unrealistic expectations. No explanation will work, because they don't want it to. Posted September 28, 2007 3:48 PM
Troy Camplin writes:
Life had gotten better for the poor throughout history. Poverty is the natural state of man. Wealth is what is unusual, and it, not poverty, is what needs to be explained. Posted September 28, 2007 3:57 PM
General Specific writes:
I haven't finished Pinker's latest book yet, but so far he's rehashing material Lakoff popularized years ago, in particular the connection between our metaphorical understanding of the world, our physical makeup, and our evolutionary past. Good stuff all the same. As far as economic growth, standards of living, and the likes, I'd also point out to the kid that human consumption of coal and oil--plus some uranium--has also played a significant role in reducing poverty--including a strong role in the green revolution, e.g. pesticides and fertilizers. Ideas are great but you can't power anything on ideas. You have to start with a low-entropy source somewhere. I'd also point out the significant role played by government sponsored research, particularly research that was an adjunct or spinoff of defense spending in the 20th century. Kids will understand that. Posted September 28, 2007 4:09 PM
Floccina writes:
Journalists are experts at attracting viewers/readers/listeners. The problem is that many economic truths are not good for attracting viewers. Posted September 28, 2007 4:34 PM
Venu writes:
"Reading Steven Pinker's The Stuff of Thought, it occurs to me that the human brain is wired to see some things and to miss others. For example, we have a really hard time understanding probability." Incidentally, this is exactly what the Overcoming Bias crowd talks about. Posted September 28, 2007 4:42 PM
General Specific writes:
I would love it if someone could stop journalists from looking at the day's events--or their particular pet peeves or ideological obsessions--and then making statements like "market drops 100 points because of ..." Faux news seems to be the most egregious when it comes to this nonsense. Posted September 28, 2007 4:43 PM
Unit writes:
Pierre-Simon Laplace (1749-1827) wrote the following in "Essai philosophique sur les probabilites": (The translation from the French is mine). I think this could also be of interest to the OvercomingBias crowd. Posted September 28, 2007 5:39 PM
TGGP writes:
liberty writes:
maybe one day journalists will smarten up to the average intelligence of five year olds... Posted September 28, 2007 9:07 PM
Carl Shulman writes:
Easy on Einstein...the talk of God playing dice was metaphorical. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#Religious_views Posted September 28, 2007 9:48 PM
General Specific writes:
Lakoff's recent works have been fluffy to say the least (and obviously politically motivated--as if these blogs aren't??). But that's not what I refer to. I'm thinking in particular about Women, Fire, and Dangerous Ideas; Metaphors We Live By; and Philosophy of the Flesh. Pinker is a much better popularizer of ideas, and his most recent work will expose more people to the metaphorical nature of thought, but I'm not entirely convinced that--in an essential sense--he brings that much new to the topic. I never finished The Language Instinct because I'd been exposed to all those ideas reading linguistics books--and he just didn't bring anything new to it. His most recent work seems to bring greater novelity, but the essential ideas--which have been referred to in this blog--are covered by Lakoff in the earlier works I referred to above. Pinker brings a different take, but same essential ideas as far as I can tell. Posted September 28, 2007 11:37 PM
Kimmitt writes:
Life for the poor got better when two things happened -- first, we got better and better at making things, so we could make more things in less time. Part of this was working together in big places, like factories, to get lots of work done, so at first mostly only the people who owned the factories got richer. Second, when we figured out ways to share the new stuff between the poor folks and the rich folks so that everyone was better off, we all got richer together. Posted September 29, 2007 4:12 AM
thebastidge writes:
Not all cultures and languages have equally strong cause-and-effect chains. Even idioms within languages can point to earlier times when cause-and-effect were not as tightly coupled. For example, in Korean or Japanese, accidents happen; only sometimes is it acknowledged that accidents happen because of X. This is however a much weaker link than directly "x caused the accident" which is difficult or impossible to say in those languages. I think that to an extent, the idea of intention and cause/effect are opposing vectors in thought. That is, to the extent that a group or individual bases his reasoning and worldview on intent, the less he pays attention to rigorous analysis of cause-and-effect, and vice versa. Posted September 29, 2007 7:09 AM
Steve French writes:
Great! Now do one for deadweight loss! Posted September 29, 2007 3:43 PM
9160 writes:
Reduction in poverty? This slight change in the poverty numbers has decreased because of the fast economic growth that has influenced every aspect of people’s lives. Technology has made things even simpler for people in the workplace and out. Things that would take people days to do only take minutes now, which means that more can be accomplished everyday. And because more things can be done in 24 hours than a decade ago more people have been obtaining jobs in many different areas. Journalists write about technology everyday and they seem to make it interesting, which means that they are making economics interesting. Although some people think that economics can’t attractive in the newspapers, these journalists sure are making us read their articles. Posted October 4, 2007 8:11 PM
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