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October 17, 2007

Villainy Amok


While we're on the subject of villainy, here's a challenge: Name the villains (presumably fictional) that you most identify with. My top picks:

How about you?

P.S. Check out Hero Games' Villainy Amok.


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Rue Des Quatre Vents writes:

Gorden Gekko in Wall Street.

Posted October 17, 2007 02:59 PM

KipEsquire writes:

Javert.

Posted October 17, 2007 03:13 PM

Ian writes:

Riddler or the Joker

Posted October 17, 2007 03:31 PM

Kimmitt writes:

Boromir. Alternately, Mr. Smith from The Matrix.

Posted October 17, 2007 03:47 PM

Tom Tobin writes:

Gerald Tarrant from C.S. Friedman's Coldfire Trilogy.

And ick, Hero? I'll stick with my lovely and lightweight BESM, thanks. ;-)

Posted October 17, 2007 04:05 PM

Greg Bain writes:

The South African government in the movie Breaker Morant – Sometimes I just want a good scapegoat.

Gollum is defiantly one of my favorites, so much internal conflict, the desire to be good, and the lust for power he could never have on his own.

I think most people, really and fictional, have these forces at work within them to some degree (maybe it’s just me), and Tolkien did an excellent job of capturing them, I particularly like how these forces appeared in Frodo as well as Gollum.

Posted October 17, 2007 04:14 PM

Barkley Rosser writes:

Saruman easily beats either Gollum or Boromir.

Posted October 17, 2007 04:32 PM

Christopher Rasch writes:

Magneto -- Although I think the psychology of the humans within the comic universe is implausible (I think the mutants would be treated more like rock stars), given that context, his behavior is understandable.

Lucifer -- He leads a rebellion against a totalitarian dictator, brings knowledge to a pair of ignorant nudists, and he looks like Elizabeth Hurley. What's not to like?

Lex Luthor -- Although merely human, through brains and hard work, he's a worthy adversary to an alien who can:

- repel most weapon attacks (including nuclear)
- fly
- shoot laser beams out of his eyes
- reverse time itself


Larry the Liquidator - His speech to stockholders is one of the great defenses of capitalism.

Posted October 17, 2007 04:48 PM

TGGP writes:

Does Peter Wiggin qualify?

Delving into formulaic genre crap, I thought Pe Ell from the lousy second Shannara series and Lamprey from Exiles of Colsec were pretty cool when I read them as a lad.

Peter Lorre's character from M I did not find sympathetic at all. I've only seen a little bit of Oz, but Ryan O'Reilly seems a likable bastard.

As for real people, I have to tip my hat to D.B Cooper. Jumping out of a plane with duffel bags full of money is the way to go. Carlos the Jackal was an interesting terrorist who stayed ahead of the law for quite a while. Idi Amin was an interesting dictator. I've given props to Marvin "Killdozer" Heemeyer before. I also think that Charles Lindbergh gets a bad rap.

Posted October 17, 2007 04:48 PM

guy in the veal calf office writes:

Gollum was a villain? I thought he was just author's illustration of the Ring's power on its holder. And ultimately pretty sympathetic. That's cheating.

For some reason Hernando Cortez comes down to us as a villan, but to me he's just one of the baddest men to ever live. Cortez left home at 18 for the new world. At 24 he famously burned his boats along Veracruz and proceeded by wit, bravado and, less so, by strength of arms, to conquer the Aztecs and fight off/seduce 1500 Spanish soldiers sent to arrest him. Surrounded and unbelievably outumbered in Tenochtitlan he and 3 others bull-rushed the Aztec lines and killed the chieftan-- the Aztecs just didn't know what to do with him and left the city to Cortez. He amazed everyone by brazeness & guile that defy belief. Gordon Gekko would tremble.

You can find unflattering portraits of him by Bernal Díaz and Bartolome Las Casas, replete with atrocities, sins and vices.

Posted October 17, 2007 04:54 PM

tom writes:

Gargamel, Wile E. Coyote

Posted October 17, 2007 05:28 PM

Stan writes:

Does anyone ever worry they are more like Gail Wynand than Howard Roark?

Posted October 17, 2007 06:08 PM

Shane writes:

Darth Vader in the Star Wars prequels.

Grabbing a kid from its family and teaching him a bizarre moral code that doesn't allow you to be close to anyone is bound to screw him up.

Posted October 17, 2007 06:21 PM

Joseph Hertzlinger writes:

Professor Moriarty. There aren't that many mathematician villains.

Posted October 17, 2007 09:27 PM

TGGP writes:

Hernando Cortez was impressive, but he's a piker compared to the Venetian Doge Enrico Dandolo.

Posted October 17, 2007 10:43 PM

Swimmy writes:

I wouldn't say I identify with Dr. Doom--too nationalistic!--but I find him very sympathetic.

Something similar goes for Phaeton from Exosquad: his cause is entirely justified, but his methods are too evil for me to genuinely like him.

Ah, I've got it: Big Boss from the Metal Gear series, especially after playing Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater.

Posted October 17, 2007 11:00 PM

Dennis Mangan writes:

The Duke of Alba.

Posted October 17, 2007 11:08 PM

Richard Pointer writes:

Though not a villain to all, I like: Vlad Tepes.

Posted October 18, 2007 12:24 AM

Mark Seecof writes:

I dunno about "identify with," but sympathize with:

Dr. Crippen
Cesare Borgia
Robert E. Lee

and I will probably think of some others.

I don't hold Cortez to have been a villain.

Posted October 18, 2007 12:45 AM

John T. Kennedy writes:

Adrian Veidt.

Posted October 18, 2007 04:38 AM

Eccdogg writes:

+1

Lex Luthor -- Although merely human, through brains and hard work, he's a worthy adversary to an alien who can:

- repel most weapon attacks (including nuclear)
- fly
- shoot laser beams out of his eyes
- reverse time itself


I have allways thought this as well. Plus the bald thing is cool.

Posted October 18, 2007 08:16 AM

Randy writes:

Jezebel - a typical case of the winners telling the story.

Posted October 18, 2007 08:46 AM

drobviousso writes:

Magneto - absolutely, no doubt. Especially when he's in the nation founding, only using violence to protect said nation mode.

Random Choir Boy in Lord of the Flies - Especially at that age, I could relate.

Posted October 18, 2007 09:02 AM

V writes:

Ozymandias, villain from Watchmen. I can identify with the notion that if people were led to believe something that was not true, you can make them change their behavior. Not a jab at the current administration or religion, but the idea is appealing. Example: even if cigarette smoking doesn't cause cancer, if everyone truly believed it, then we wouldn't have to smell it in restaurants, casinos, see their butts everywhere, produce less tobacco by-products...

Posted October 18, 2007 12:13 PM

Scott W writes:

Any villain from Captain Planet...sometimes I enjoy pouring oil into the river for no reason. Or, cutting down trees just to destroy the animal habitats.

Posted October 18, 2007 12:20 PM

Steve Y. writes:

Jack Nicholson as. Col. Jessep in "A Few Good Men" (quote from Wikipedia):

You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!

Posted October 18, 2007 03:50 PM

shawn writes:

...Mr. Darcy? Do I lose my man card for that? but...he's only a 'villain' for a while...

Posted October 18, 2007 06:15 PM

Pete writes:

While not a villain yet it is just a matter of time. Tyrion Lannister from G.R.R. Martin's Ice and Fire saga

Posted October 20, 2007 02:36 AM

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Posted October 20, 2007 09:04 AM

Enoch writes:

Brad Dourif in anything but especially Exorcist III, Alien 4, and Lord of the Rings.

J. T. Walsh in anything but especially Red Rock West, Sling Blade, and Breakdown.

Posted October 20, 2007 09:37 AM

Dylan writes:

Brian Leiter.

Fictionally, Brandin in Guy Gavriel Kay's Tigana.

Posted October 20, 2007 10:41 AM

Stephen R. Kaplan writes:

The Catholic Encyclopedia says that Cortes murdered his wife by defenestration, even though neither of them was a Czech.

Posted October 20, 2007 12:29 PM

Bill writes:

Hannibal Lecter and the killer in Red Dragon both were pretty easy to like

Posted October 20, 2007 09:15 PM

bomberman writes:

I always thought Mr. Freeze from the Batman:Animated Series was good sympathetic villain. He really got screwed.
Agree with Darth Vader and Magneto too.

Posted October 21, 2007 01:11 AM

ThePhalanx writes:

Lord Vader, Megatron or Cobra Commander

Posted October 21, 2007 03:32 PM

Wesley writes:

In these days of political correctness, without a doubt, my hero would be. . .

RONALD REGAN!

As much as he was vilified, by certain members of our society, he would be the man!

Posted October 22, 2007 12:23 AM

Greg writes:

Roy Batty (from the Film "Bladerunner"). He was created as a slave, to be used as cannon fodder, and with an artificially foreshortened life even if he should survive combat, I find his response: Escape, travel to Earth, find Tyrell and try to lift the cap on his lifespan exactly what I would try to do in the same circumstances. I find him to be morally far preferable to the reprehensible Tyrell, who used his genius to create a race of slaves in the first place and whose death at the hands of his creation was fitting indeed. And when, with the final act of his life, Batty finally saves Decard, who was trying to kill him, the Tyrell Corporation finally achieved its motto of "More human than human".

Posted October 22, 2007 02:51 AM

John writes:

Is V from V for Vendetta a villain or an anti-hero?

If I can't pick him, I'd go with The Vampire Lestat from Interview with the Vampire, Boba Fett, or Hannibal Lechter.

Posted October 24, 2007 09:22 AM

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