Econlib Resources
|
TRACKBACKS (3 to date)
TrackBack URL: http://econlog.econlib.org/mt/mt-tb.cgi/850
The author at Jim's Blog in a related article titled Rational Oil Prices writes:
COMMENTS (11 to date)
Dog of Justice writes:
Normal distributions arise from the sum of many relatively small, independent random variables. In practice, most of the time the stock market can be approximated in this manner, but every once in a while something happens that causes independence to spectacularly break down, such as the Russian default that brought down LTCM. As Taleb points out, the magnitude of such events is better described by a power law than a Gaussian. He is too nihilistic, though. As long as your downside risk is bounded during a calamity (and for better or worse, mostly worse, I don't see hedge fund employees begging on the street; there are too many mechanisms that allow them to push all the worst downside risk on taxpayers*), there is positive utility in using tuned Gaussian-based models. *: Consider a simple game where you flip a fair coin twenty times; if you flip heads at least once, you win $1, while if you don't, you lose $2000000. It's easy to work out that the expected value of playing this game is negative. However, if others will partially bail you out when you lose, suddenly it may be worth playing. I fear that variants of this game have been played too often lately. Posted June 12, 2008 3:20 AM
D. haeck writes:
I think the most interesting literature on this topic is to be found in the field of econophysics. It explains the power law in the distribution of returns with interacting traders. There are striking similiarities in the data with interacting particles models out of physics. Criticall mass, phase transistion etc. Posted June 12, 2008 3:30 AM
eccdogg writes:
The thing is almost no one assumes a normal distribution when pricing options. So Taleb is railing against a belief that no one believes in practice. That is why you observer a volatility (smile,frown, smirk) in different markets. Out of the money options particularly way out of the money options trade at a much higher implied volatility than at the money options. Traders have a saying for this "Sell a teenie loose your weenie" traders will never sell an out of the money option cheap. I have read both Fooled by Randomness and Black Swan and have been mildly disapointed by both. I am currently reading Taleb's first book "Dynamic Hedging" which is muchmore technical, but far better that the first two. Posted June 12, 2008 8:53 AM
Alex J. writes:
Investor psychology can build up over time, via herding, conformity, jealousy and short-sightedness. During a run up, people hear of the gains being made and join the crowd. During a crash, everyone runs for the exits at the same time. That is, you head for the exit, and I see you leaving and follow you etc. Another way of thinking about it is the long-term or collectively irrational digestion of news about other investors' behavior. The other investors might themselves be behaving irrationally. Posted June 12, 2008 9:41 AM
Patrick Molloy writes:
Taleb’s investment strategy appears to be very similar to that of Boston University’s Zvi Bodie, author of Worry-Free Investing. Here’s an excerpt from a recent interview: What investment strategy do you advise? But with this strategy you give up the chance of making money in stocks. http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_37/b4049090.htm Posted June 12, 2008 11:22 AM
eccdogg writes:
I don't think the Taleb/Bodie strategy is a bad one. I just don't think it makes above normal risk adjusted returns. The strategy is tailored for someone with a very specific utility function. A person who is very afraid of losses but still wants the oportunity to make money if the everyone is making lots of it. To accoplish this goal they are willing to lose compared to the S&P 500 in periods where the market slowly and steadily out performs treasuries. In that case they probably lose money on thier out of the money calls and the market outperforms thier T-bill position. In other words they are long volatilty and if the market is not more volatile than the implied volatility on their calls they are net losers. Posted June 12, 2008 11:39 AM
fundamentalist writes:
Does Taleb not know about inflation? If you invest 90% in government securities, inflation will kill you and I doubt that the average success from the other 10% will sufficient to overcome that loss. Posted June 12, 2008 12:25 PM
Brad Hutchings writes:
The striking thing to me about most of the criticism Taleb gets is that it's all focussed on his trading advice. He wrote one book about trading and two that move much more generally philosophical in direction. In The Black Swan, he brings in some tales of the market as an anchor to his story, but they are not all of it. In the London Times story, it's pretty clear that he's on a path of being the next Tom Peters, but with a more overtly philosophical approach and message. I find it a little weird that saving $10 on a pricing error or missing a flight is a "Black Swan" in his story for the masses, but I'd guess he's joking and the author doesn't convey the humor. The open question on Taleb is whether he has a novel wide contribution to make to how people think about their lives and careers or whether he's repackaged "Who Move My Cheese" for the dumbed down masses. His trading strategies seem, at best, a side note. Posted June 12, 2008 1:22 PM
8 writes:
People experienced in the market are not suprised by crashes, mathematicians are. Stock price movement is often "normal" to market participants, but not to mathematicians. Posted June 12, 2008 2:17 PM
eccdogg writes:
"The striking thing to me about most of the criticism Taleb gets is that it's all focussed on his trading advice. He wrote one book about trading and two that move much more generally philosophical in direction. In The Black Swan, he brings in some tales of the market as an anchor to his story, but they are not all of it."
He advocates the 90% safe 10% fliers in his latter two books and argues that you should employ a long volatility strategy (you win when crazy stuff good or bad happens) in markets and in life. The question is when is insurance against crazy stuff overprice and how do you know when it is? Sometimes Taleb seems to be arguing that crazy stuff is always over estimated or overpriced, but other times he aregues that people are irrationally afraid of some risk. How do we know which is which? Especially in light of the fact that Taleb tells us that we can't trust past history to be a good guide for the future. I appreciate Taleb's skepticism but I don't think he is skeptical enough of his ove ideas. Posted June 12, 2008 2:51 PM
David Shor writes:
Basically, it has to do with the central limit theorem. A bunch of random variables summed up will approximate a normal distribution(They usually don't need to be Independent or uncorrelated, unlike what the first poster said). But in order for the central limit theorem to hold, you need the distributions to have a finite variance. Otherwise, convergence will go to a more general levy distribution. Teleb was not the person to invent this, Mandelbrot showed a while ago that futures market prices were not normal. The problem, is that levy distributions are extremely difficult to estimate, and shift over time, making them pretty much useless to finance. Normal approximations work well enough. Posted June 13, 2008 5:05 PM
Comments for this entry
have been closed
|
||||||||
|
|
Blogging software: Powered by Movable Type 4.2.1.
Pictures courtesy of the authors. All opinions expressed on EconLog reflect those of the author or individual commenters, and do not necessarily represent the views or positions of the Library of Economics and Liberty (Econlib) website or its owner, Liberty Fund, Inc.
The cuneiform inscription in the Liberty Fund logo is the
earliest-known written appearance of the word
"freedom" (amagi), or "liberty." It
is taken from a clay document written about 2300 B.C. in the Sumerian city-state of Lagash.
|
||||||||