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The author at HeresyBlog in a related article titled Velfærdsstaten i en nøddeskal writes:
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Daniel writes:
It's even worse than DF's quote suggests. Imagine that most of the 10,000 voters believed, and acted on, completely off the wall statements about cars, what makes them run, etc. You might find the majority agreeing with statements like: "Most of the cost of a car is accounted for by the spark plug" "Antique cars perform the best, innovation is not to be trusted" Posted July 8, 2008 10:15 AM
Josh writes:
Is Irvine a charter community? Posted July 8, 2008 10:24 AM
Mcihael F. Martin writes:
Instead, it is the institution of democracy that is to blame. Majority voting is bound to lead to bad outcomes. Again, comparative institutional advantage is important here. Government institutions are not designed to achieve the most efficient decisions; they're designed to achieve political stability by brokering ideological divides. If we wanted government to do EVERYTHING for us, then competitive government (a/k/a anarcho-capitalism) would make sense. But if we have an eco-system of public, private, and public-private partnerships, then we don't need to push so hard for an agency theory of representation. Posted July 8, 2008 10:34 AM
conchis writes:
"if competitive government [] would be so much better, then why don't we observe it?" That's a pretty big if. Posted July 8, 2008 10:54 AM
8 writes:
First, use the argument to point out that we shouldn't be voting on a retirement system, a school system, an energy system or a healthcare system. Posted July 8, 2008 11:16 AM
Kurbla writes:
Its not criticism of democracy, it is criticism of centralized decisions in general. Author claim, its better that everyone make his own decisions. The most frequently it is, but not always. If twenty people have to lift one heavy object, it is clearly better that one commands start of pulling, than that everyone decide the moment he'll pull for himself. You know, one-two-threeeee system. Democracy is only the method to determine which kind of centralized decision it will be - fast or slow counting. Lifting on "three" or "after three." If you think slow is better, and people chose fast counting, then you think collective decision was wrong. It doesn't matter: even poor collective decision is in this case better than that sum of the best individual decision. That's why his argument is wrong. Kling's proposal for Chile is on the line of direct democracy. One form of direct democracy petition for referendum. Such system exist in many countries, probably in USA as well, I do not know about Chile. If say 5% citizens of Santiago believe that bus system should be privatized, they can force public referendum about that topic. Mentioning anarchocapitalism, it looks kinda feudalism to me; owner of the land has supreme power on his private property (in feudalism it was king) and he makes contracts with some people (higher nobility) and they make their own contract etc. What is the differentia specifica between feudalism and anarchocapitalism? Posted July 8, 2008 1:46 PM
Alex J. writes:
Kurbla, 8, Posted July 8, 2008 2:33 PM
Alex J. writes:
Why don't we see competitive governments? Because people, in general, don't like competitors. Unlike, say, barbers, governments are in a position to do something about it. In the case of the Chilean bus system, it "stands to reason" (that is, to uninformed intuition) that when something big and important happens, it happens because of a purpose-directed effort by an agent of some kind. It's easy to think of a complicated private system as being chaotic, choked by cutthroat competition and just generally incomprehensible and untidy. "Clearly", someone should come in and set up one rational bus system. Posted July 8, 2008 2:51 PM
Bandwagon Smasher writes:
Competitive, non-territorially-based governments can't work because, for all legitimate government purposes (security, enforcement and adjudication of rights), the "government" would simply become a private security force constantly at war with other "governments" or individuals over the particular rights its "customers" desire. Posted July 8, 2008 4:58 PM
Patrick R. Sullivan writes:
Under such institutions, the quality of cars would quickly decline. Is this necessarily true? What stops a majority from voting for Mercedes for all? Especially if there is a progressive income tax to pay for them. Posted July 8, 2008 5:26 PM
Patrick R. Sullivan writes:
A much better argument of the type is Mark Harrison's--just substitute auto dealership for supermarket: ...imagine if we ran our supermarkets the way we run our schools. Due to the importance of equality of opportunity to buy groceries and to protect children from starvation due to negligent and ignorant parents buying the wrong groceries, we have government provided supermarkets, financed by taxes, at which shoppers can get a basket of groceries for free. Customers are forced to shop at the supermarket in their suburb, and can only change to another government supermarket with permission, and subject to room at that supermarket. There are private supermarkets, but customers have to pay for their groceries there. Entry of new supermarkets is heavily regulated. New supermarkets are not allowed in areas of declining population. The government favours private supermarket proposals from the large national chains. The public supermarkets in each State are run by huge Departments of Supermarkets. Pay, staffing and working conditions are centrally determined, by negotiations with the unions. Some regions find it difficult to attract staff. Employment conditions are strictly regulated, with rigid job classifications (check-out operator, shelf-stacker, trolley retriever, price labeller). Hours worked and tasks are strictly mandated. The number of staff in each position in supermarkets is strictly regulated. Pay rises tend to be uniform across all classifications. Although the public supermarkets seem to be overmanned, particularly when compared to the private sector, checkout queues are much longer and shelves are frequently empty. Posted July 8, 2008 5:36 PM
Dr. T writes:
Under such institutions, the quality of cars would quickly decline. You forgot about the losing car makers. Designing a car costs a lot. If your costly car designs keep losing elections, you go bankrupt. Since all car makers feel this pressure, they resolve it in one of two ways: design cars on a shoe-string budget (and have a mediocre car if you win the election) or quit the car business. A corollary to this is once you win an election, getting re-elected is vital. The winning car maker will do everything possible to stay 'in office': change election rules, prohibit negative campaigning, restrict 'issue' ads that refer to car models, add safety or environmental requirements that only your car model can meet, etc. Posted July 8, 2008 7:02 PM
Snark writes:
Why don't we see competitive governments? Because people, in general, don't like competitors. Those who can compete, do. Those who can’t, sue. I’d like to see Arnold take up the cause of competitive government by reviving and chairing the old Cobden Club, named for Richard Cobden (a.k.a. “The Apostle of Free Trade”). If nothing else, the Pigouvians could use some friendly club competition to help improve the quality of their arguments. Posted July 8, 2008 8:42 PM
Steve Sailer writes:
Imagine fighting a war the way we buy cars. Ten thousand people would all do whatever they want. And they'd all wind up captured or slaughtered. Government is, fundamentally, about violence. Posted July 8, 2008 10:56 PM
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