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One of the interesting things that is going on with the financial crisis is the issue of "dueling analogies." In fact, I think that may be the key to understanding the wisdom of the policy interventions here--and the dueling ana... [Tracked on September 22, 2008 2:58 PM]COMMENTS (21 to date)
E. Barandiaran writes:
Arnold, Posted September 21, 2008 8:00 AM
David R. Henderson writes:
Well done, Arnold. Here's what a good reporter should do: when those Congressmen emerge from the meeting and say that Paulson and Bernanke scared them with the consequences of doing nothing, ask them, "OK, what scared you? Be specific. What argument did they make? How did they say this thing would unwind to the point that Barney Frank and some of the rest of you think people won't be able to get car loans?" Posted September 21, 2008 9:48 AM
steve Hsu writes:
Bernanke is the one who pushed for this, at least according to the Times. Talking into the speaker phone on a coffee table in his office, Mr. Bernanke told Mr. Paulson that it was time to stop treating the symptoms by bailing out distressed companies and instead start attacking the root problem with a comprehensive strategy. Congress would have to sign off, and it would fall to Mr. Paulson, as the envoy of the executive branch, to take the lead. Mr. Paulson understood.
Posted September 21, 2008 11:09 AM
Jesse Rouse writes:
Connally went bankrupt in 1986. Just goes to show how centralized decision making can be harmful especially when one of the few in charge can't manage his own personal finances. Posted September 21, 2008 11:44 AM
Troy Camplin, Ph.D. writes:
From my blog: $700 billion dollars. That's how much our government is going to spend on bailing out a bunch of companies run by incompetents and who were in large pert put in this position because of the regulations currently on the books. What the financial sector of the market needs is deregulation, not more regulations. They need to have failure privatized. Meaning, companies need to know that they will be allowed to fail. And the government needs to let them fail. The situation we're in now, the government has only postponed the inevitable. And, worse, like a fault line prone to earthquakes, the longer we put things off, the worse the quake is going to be. The federal government doesn't have almost a trillion dollars to spend. It does not have $700,000,000,000. So where will it get the money? It will borrow it. That's another $700 billion added to the debt. How will it pay off this debt, which will come due some day? 1) taxes -- which will take more money out of the economy and create a worse economy overall Some wonderful choices given to us from the ghosts of socialism past. The interventionist state does not work. Socialism doesn't work. Centralized financial planning works no better than overall economic planning does. I hope -- but doubt -- someone will get the message and get the government out of the economy. I expect instead that we will get even more regulations out of this. When the collapse does finally happen, it will be the Great Depression II -- only in an even more globalized economy. But don't worry -- Obama plans to hurry things along by raising taxes and imposing tariffs. That worked so well during The Great Depression. It didn't make things worse or lead to WWII at all. Please ignore history. Nothing to see here. Posted September 21, 2008 11:56 AM
E. Barandiaran writes:
Arnold, Posted September 21, 2008 12:19 PM
Troy Camplin, Ph.D. writes:
The specific consequences may not be able to be ascertained until then, but we have a lot of historical evidence supporting a general understanding of what will happen. I don't need the details to understand that what I said will happen will happen. Posted September 21, 2008 12:50 PM
Lord writes:
I agree finance needs to shrink. If we need counteracting expansion let it be in other areas at the expense of finance. The prices must be heavily discounted. A 50% discount from peak housing prices seems reasonable. Posted September 21, 2008 2:21 PM
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stylized.fact writes:
I agree impulsively with the notion that reorganization in the financial services sector would be beneficial to the economy overall. However, it does raise the question of how we know when the financial sector is properly sized. This no doubt relates to some degree on scarcity of innovation in other sectors. Maybe quants would be better off working on alternative fuels, but then again, maybe they aren't. Maybe FIRE is properly sized, they just need extra time and resources to innovate a little more. Disposable diapers and the VCR took quite a while. Posted September 21, 2008 9:00 PM
Ben White writes:
Specify what you think the future consequences will be. Otherwise this is just "it sounds like a bad idea to me". Will the economy be able to operate without credit? How long should we shut it down for? Posted September 21, 2008 9:31 PM
bc writes:
It doesn't have to be sink or swim, all or nothing. The Fed could push congress to undo SOX, and formally rescind "mark to market" requirements under GAP. And it could raise interest rates to strengthen the dollar, while amping up spending on public works to create dollar demand and to prime the pump. Borrowing and buying assets should be a last resort, and it should hurt like hell for the sellers. Posted September 21, 2008 9:37 PM
Max writes:
Bernanke and Paulson have the experience and intellectual firepower for this time in history. A Central Banker should stand up to fear-mongering. Even when it comes from Arnold Kling. Posted September 21, 2008 9:42 PM
lowbeyond writes:
Here is a solution http://www.tickerforum.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?post=61956 Posted September 21, 2008 9:45 PM
edh writes:
I think the debate should focus now on the terms and conditions of the purchase of assets. For all the negative talk, I still have no idea how much the loan assets will be discounted before govt purchase. As for the $700b figure, is that how much the govt will spend to purchase the assets, or is that the nominal amount of the debt assets the govt will buy at discount? If the govt has these holders of debt over a liquidity barrel, why shouldn't the govt be able to sell eventually the debt it buys at discount for as much or more than what it pays for it? Posted September 21, 2008 10:02 PM
justcurious writes:
I'm just curious why you would be writing an open letter to Ben Bernanke, who will be the recipient of the $700 billion, urging him not to take the government handout that he himself has urged that the government give him? It makes no sense. Ben Bernanke, last time I checked, was chairman of the Federal Reserve ... a non-governmental agency ... a private bank holding organization. It, and its member banks, will be the recipient of the very handout you are criticizing. What makes you think they would refuse it? Look folks, here's the deal. Rich people don't have to participate in our economy. They're rich. That's the deal. They can always take their dollars and go home. And that's just what many of them are doing and that's what the current crisis is about. What you are seeing is a rush OUT of the credit business as the rich preserve their assets. They've decided they aren't going to lend money because they can't calculate the interest and the risk. If the rich decide not to provide working capital to America, then America won't work. Think 25% unemployment, breadlines, soup kitchens. Color televisions will suddenly only display images in golden sepia tones. It's too late to whine about it. The damage was already done the moment that the Fed decided it was OK for banks to lend money to illegal aliens (and others) with zero down and no income verification. The government allowed it because it increased property taxes as home prices were inflated. That's when the damage was done, and there's no undoing it. So, those of you still paying taxes into the system should just bend over and get prepared. Me. I've quit my job. I'm no longer willing to work for half-pay while the other half of my pay goes for Wall Street bailouts for guys with yachts. That will cost the Treasury about $45,000/year, and that's not counting the government checks I will shortly be eligible for. So long, suckers! Posted September 21, 2008 10:18 PM
Derek writes:
I think listing the number of housing units as an excess is misguided. The US will need about 90 million additional units before 2050 based on population projections. Posted September 21, 2008 11:07 PM
Fast Ben writes:
An economy built on debt is a false economy. Posted September 22, 2008 6:59 AM
Dan Weber writes:
What's the total amount of mortgage property in this country? I thought it was something like 4 trillion dollars, but I can't google up the exact answer at the moment. 0.7 trillion sounds pretty big compared to that, especially with as many property values that have been falling. Posted September 22, 2008 12:00 PM
B.H. writes:
In defense of poor Nixon. First, as Milton Friedman predicted, a fixed exchange rate system (with or without price fixing for gold) is doomed, but he said it would take a crisis to kill it. He was right. We should congratulate Nixon for the courage to abandon Bretton Woods, even if took two years to do it. The dollar was badly overvalued, and the one-time readjustment to equilibrium caused a one-time surge in the CPI. Second, Congressional Democrats authorized Nixon to impose wage-price controls. They did not think Nixon would use them, but they wanted to give him the authority so they could embarrass him and blame him in the elections for not fixing inflation. Our country has made progress in that no one advocates price-wage controls anymore. (If we could only get rid of windfall profits taxes.) Posted September 23, 2008 9:47 AM
Fixel writes:
Please consider this attached article, for ideas on how to correct and strengthen the economy, by the British economist Fred Harrison. I feel he makes the correct point to use as a basis to change and improve our economy . Are you familiar with these ideas and the ideas of the economist , Henry George ? I feel that especially since the economy is in bad condition, it is even more important that we have a system of taxes that could help prevent a small group from having a monopoly on land , and also will enact a fair and just tax system for all the citizens. Initially please seriously consider studying the use and ramification of a tax system focused on collecting most government taxes from taxing land according to it's value, awhile at the same time trying to reduce or eliminate as much as possble taxes on income . The next step might be creating many classes to study this system in the universities. Then if you find merit in these ideas and systems, we must try to find ways to actually implimate the system . Regards, Bust will follow boom - but when? Posted October 9, 2008 8:59 PM
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