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The author at Anarchy Without Bombs in a related article titled More on the Mortgage Mess writes:
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Karl Lembke writes:
One thing I've been wondering about is to what extent the increase in housing prices may have been the result of the loosening of the standards for home loans. If you cause home loans to be given to a larger population, you have more buyers bidding up the prices of houses. Would this have been a significant influence on any real estate "bubble"? Posted October 12, 2008 7:20 PM
TC writes:
Arnold, I'm a little confused about what you wrote at the end: Capital regulations should be modified in order to encourage sound lending by sound banks. For example, mortgage loans with down payments of at least 20 percent should be assigned a very low risk weight. Here it sounds like you are calling for "better regulation" or at least regulations that discourage risk. Are government institutions the solution, or are they the problem? Taking bureaucratic information loss into account, can regulation ever be relied upon? Here it sounds like you are endorsing something close to my proposal, which is to have banks choose between being a Low Risk Bank or a High Risk Bank. Low Risk Banks would be FDIC insured and would have to invest all deposits in short term federal treasuries or cash. High Risk Banks would not be FDIC insured and could invest deposits in all variety of investment vehicles. Is that something close to what you had in mind when you implied that regulation might not be reliable? Posted October 12, 2008 9:49 PM
Linda writes:
Home ownership is a fine thing, but the emphasis should be on ownership, which means having a reasonable equity stake in the home. People who cannot afford a twenty percent down payment, or even a ten percent down payment, should not be unnaturally encouraged to purchase homes. A housing policy that induces people to save for a down payment rather than subsidizing mortgage indebtedness would lead to a more stable housing market. Posted October 13, 2008 12:32 AM
Josh writes:
Your thoughts, as always, seem very sensible. The more I read, the more I feel like the Klingian model of higher education - namely that perhaps too many people are going to college and we would be better off with less - applies to the current financial problem. Basically, the notion that everyone can somehow get rich simply through the appreciation of asset values (e.g. stocks, homes) etc. is a big reason we have such instability. Most people don't even realize that the stock market (as they conceive of it) is a pyramid scheme - that the only way the average person can make money flipping stocks is to get more and more people into the game. In reality, people should count the money they put into the stock market as gone - into the pockets of the companies they are investing in, or into the pockets of other investors - and then realize that the way to make money in the market is through collection of dividends over the long term [and similarly with houses - that flipping houses is not the reason one should be buying a house]. If more people thought about it in those terms, we would have a lot fewer people getting into these kinds of markets. And in that case, the collateral damage from these kinds of flops would be much less than it is now - a few traders taking known risks would end up with big losses. But the rest of us would just be able to ignore it. Posted October 13, 2008 8:28 AM
shayne writes:
Arnold: I generally concur with your conclusions regards 'best lending practices' for the future and the regulatory framework within which that should occur. But I suspect you may be underestimating a third component of the bubble financing. Beyond and possibly of greater magnitude than the unqualified buyers and speculative buyers were the folks that owned a home and refinanced it during the bubble. In all cases of refinancing a home, the owner is converting equity into cash for use in current consumption. During the bubble, when home prices were being 'bid up', the intrinsic value component of the home was unchanged - instead, the investment value component (current AND far future equity) was being converted to cash for current consumption. In short, all three classes of buyers/borrowers during the peak-price period of the bubble were borrowing against an equity stake that will not be tangible until well into the future. The story Kucinich loves to tell of the 90 year old Ohio woman who shot herself rather than be evicted from 'her' home is a case in point. From what I've read, her home was fully paid off and she took her FIRST equity loan against it in 1997, and subsequently refinanced it - at increasing market values - several times during the bubble. (To provide a 'happy ending' to the story, Kucinich pressured Fannie/Freddie to 'forgive' her home debt so she can return after she recovers from her gunshot wound. I wonder what her incentives will be to take out yet another equity loan now that the taxpayers have restored her equity.) I am personally aware of many others who also refinanced (took equity loans) during the bubble and are currently 'under water' with respect to being able to sell to recover. They can make their payments, and are making them, but they will not be 'caught up' in terms of rebuilding their equity for many years to come. I realize these examples are anecdotal, but I suspect the refinancing/equity loan component is as large or larger than the speculative component you mention. But the result is similar with regard to the lending during the bubble. In all cases, equity/investment value of homes, that would not ordinarily be tangible for many years to come, was converted to cash for current consumption via the lending during the bubble. As others have noted, the debt is massive. What strikes me as odd is how anyone thinks that by further converting the tangibility of future production into current cash (borrowing - either public or private debt) will resolve this. I believe that's colloquially called, further mortgaging one's future. Posted October 13, 2008 10:12 AM
rvturnage writes:
Karl Lembke writes: That was a huge influence on creating the bubble. The Independent Institute has a very good paper titled "Anatomy of a Trainwreck" on Governments roll in the loosening of lending standards and how it influenced the current problems. Posted October 13, 2008 11:40 AM
Jon writes:
I think left out of this is an "agency" problem--managers get immediate payment on the business they bring in. The shareholders pick up the losses later. The fact is that the damage started in sectors of the mortgage market and firms least influenced by government regulations--private label subprime and subprime loans in the highest cost areas man loans were above the GSE and the FHA limits. Posted October 13, 2008 12:19 PM
Bill Woolsey writes:
I was just looking at some figures about Where does the 80% figure come from? Posted October 14, 2008 1:08 PM
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