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Defining your sense of "solidarity" along racial lines sound a lot like bigotry. Solidarity is defined, at least in the context of use here, as a unity of interests and sympathies between members of a group of people. Once you define the "members of a group of people" along racial lines, you are damn close to racism - if not already there. And solidarity isn't what causes injustice against out-groups. Solidarity makes bigotry and injustice against them easier to commit because certain groups are united in their support against others. The injustice comes down to bigotry and hatred.
I don't think it would be a good thing to think of fellow citizens as strangers per-say. Obviously, they are strangers, but I don't think that's the right way to think about our obligations to them. I personally believe we do have obligations to others - though not as "fellow citizens" but as "fellow people." I don't support the welfare state, in the sense of forcibly redistributing wealth, but I believe we have an obligation to help others voluntarily (not only would this be a more moral system since no force is involved, but it would probably be more efficient). The term "stranger" is loaded and evokes ideas of distrust and suspicion. I don't think we should think about other people in those terms.
Also, the paper doesn't necessarily suggest low-skill immigrants undermine support for the welfare state. You can't just have an understanding of our society, radically change it by allowing massive low-skill immigration, and assuming only the response of one variable (the degree of the welfare state) will change. A radical policy shift of that nature would first require a radical shift in political opinion which already makes your analysis invalid, but indeed let's assume open immigration was imposed exogenously. Still, the massive increase in low-skill immigrants would dramatic alter people's perception of the low-skill and poor, as well as a whole host of other economic and social variables. Who knows what the result would be for support of the welfare state. You are committing the fallacy by assuming your static partial equilibrium analysis holds in a dynamic general equilibrium.
Seems relevant
Bryan's strong belief on the importance and significance of genetics in determining long run human outcomes seems completely at odds with his enthusiasm for mass-scale unselective immigration.
Usually, people who believe that genetics have such a strong casual relationship with so many of the outcomes of society that we care about want to shape the genetic character of the population for the greater good of society. And the only crude tactic we currently have for shaping the genetic character of the nation is immigration policy.
In this post, Bryan is beginning to reveal his subversive intent regarding immigration. I would like to hear more along these lines.
Usually, people who believe that genetics have such a strong casual relationship with so many of the outcomes of individuals that we care about don't want to use force to shape the genetic character of the population for the greater good of society.
Fixed that for you.
re: "It would be a better world if we could just admit that our 'fellow citizens' are not our brothers and sisters, but strangers."
If, instead, we took the Christian view that strangers are our brothers and sisters, it gets you the same result on immigration policy.
It sure sounds like low-skill immigration undermines middle-class support for the welfare state.
Up to a point, Lord Copper.
But after awhile the sheer numbers of poor, unskilled voters simply overwhelm middle class anti-welfare state voters. See California.
"It would be a better world if we could just admit that our "fellow citizens" are not our brothers and sisters, but strangers."
Would it?
http://www.amazon.com/Trust-Social-Virtues-Creation-Prosperity/dp/0684825252
Ted,
Not bigotry but disinterest.
I think a major reason why so much opposition to immigration comes from welfare-state based arguments is that, for some bizarre reason, they think that the welfare state is a monstrous moral evil, while immigration restrictions are totally reasonable. This is incorrect, immigration restrictions are a moral evil on the scale of Apartheid and Jim Crow, while the welfare-state is unpleasant, but not super-evil.
If someone in the 1950s were to defend Jim Crow, on the grounds that blacks are more likely to make use of the welfare state and vote for the welfare state than whites, they'd be factually correct. But I think everyone here would agree that Jim Crow was so horrible that the risk of an enhanced welfare state would be worth it to get rid of it. Ditto for Apartheid, it was so horrible that any problems caused by its abolition were well worth it.
@Clay
Bryan believes that genetics is important for determining long-term outcomes between people within nations. He believes (correctly) that the nation you live in is far more important for life outcomes, overall. To him, the fact that people with decent genetics are forced to live in countries where they can't put them to good use is a titanic injustice. In our globalized world, society consists of everyone on Earth. So the genetic character of the population will be the same regardless of who lives where. It goes back to the question of "where would you prefer poor people be poor?"
@MikeP
Good job on catching that error.
@The Man Who Was
Public employee unions are far more responsible for Calfornia's budget problems. Immigrants are mainly just a scapegoat.To everyone who is using the example of California to oppose immigration, I think you're way off base. California was changed more by the migration of New York and other East Coast leftists in the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s than by Mexicans.
I imagine most people who blame Mexican immigrants for California's woes have never been there. Being a Californian by birth, middle and lower class latinos out-produce their white Oakie counterparts hands down.