I Am Not Alone: Kauffman Econ Bloggers on Educational Signaling

Virtually all current published work relies on the human capital-based explanations...?

Tyler,

Are you referring to the personal return-estimation literature? I don't think that's true. I've read several Heckman papers where he admits to being agnostic as to whether or not the returns he's estimating are due to signaling or human capital. I can find quotes if you are really doubtful.

Bryan,
Your link for the survey doesn’t go to the survey.

For a lot of college students, there simply isn't a lot of gain in human capital. As I noted in response to the post on The Great Stagnation for Colleges, the average college graduate lacks strong analytical skills and writes poorly. That's why I suspect that the "signal" of a college degree is actually weakening. In fact I expect the premium for workers with a college degree to drop over time. Those with degrees in more demanding fields should do well, as well as students from more prestigious universities (because they had to demonstrate earlier achievement simply to get admitted). But for students in the bottom half of the distribution (defined as those with flabby majors from mediocre to weak schools), I would expect the premium to decline sharply, if not disappear.

Bryan Caplan claims that diplomas help signal conformity. How does he know that conformity isn't learned? That it isn't a product of decades of education?

I can think of some less-intensive signalling tests for conformity...

Would the next person to do a survey please frame it more like this:

"For STEM fields, pre-med, and pre-law: what part of a college degree's value is signalling, what part human capital formation..."

"For other fields...."

Would the next person to do a survey please frame it more like this:

"For STEM fields, pre-med, and pre-law: what part of a college degree's value is signalling, what part human capital formation..."

"For other fields...."

I suspect it would still be quite a bit. I know quite a few law and med students, and the kind of stuff they do there is often pretty unrelated to the stuff they do for the undergraduate degrees. How much does reading Heidegger and studying Metaphysics relate to case studies of corporate law in the 1950's? It seems plausible that the undergraduate degrees signal that students are of a certain type ,which generally has more success in these difficult fields.

The real question is what part of the med degrees and law degrees are signaling. My guess is still a fair amount.

I know quite a few law and med students, and the kind of stuff they do there is often pretty unrelated to the stuff they do for the undergraduate degrees.

It's still possible to make a distinction with this between pure signaling qua signaling and "working on something difficult to develop useful habits, even if you don't use it directly," i.e. the (perhaps discredited) theory that Latin teachers like.

Don't the positive economic returns associated with even a year or two of college (higher earnings, lower unemployment) significantly undermine the signaling theory? Unless you believe that employers view having "some college" -- in the same way they allegedly view earning an actual degree -- as itself a signal of pre-selection, sticktuitiveness, or somesuch. Seems to me that human capital development is a far more likely explanation.

At the University of Texas, a degree in petroleum engineering is approximately 75% signalling 25% real learning. The part that is real learning could easily be completed in about a year and is FAR less demanding than the other 75%. The real learning involves understanding what things like permeability and viscosity are. The "inapplicable" signaling part involves deriving equations and writing computer programs.

I agree with the comments that it depends on the degree subject. Something like Electrical Engineering will have a significant component of human capital formation. A degree like minority-of-the-moment studies will have little. Based on my exposure to its contents, an education degree will not only be entirely signaling, it will be actively destructive of human capital.

You can lead a horse to water, but it takes a lot to drive him to drink.

Colleges provide some opportunities for human capital formation. The door may be open but the student has got to walk through it. Also, the schools are perfectly content to allow the students to skate for four years on a curriculum of human reproductive biology by braille, and practical applied zymurgy experiments.

Right now it is like hoping a hurricane will water your lawn. Far too expensive and damaging to be of any real utility.