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The author at Trusted.MD Network in a related article titled Bryan Caplan tears apart Jonathan Gruber's graphic novel on health care reform writes:
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Brian writes:
"Gruber says 98%, but I'll go with Wikipedia" So the day has finally come when Wikipedia is more trusted than a printed source. Posted January 4, 2012 12:06 AM
GlibFighter writes:
Along with the link to Robin Hanson's "healthcare is vastly overrated" diatribe, pointing out the associated CATO UNBOUND companion piece to your readers would be useful: http://www.cato-unbound.org/2007/09/12/david-m-cutler/use-a-scalpel-not-a-meat-cleaver/ Posted January 4, 2012 2:27 AM
David R. Henderson writes:
@Bryan, Posted January 4, 2012 12:43 PM
Mike Rulle writes:
You are correct completely. People do not understand the concept of incentives. They do not make an association between "food purchasing satisfaction" and "healthcare purchasing dissatisfaction". Healthcare is "different". The illusion comes from the fact we do not use it every day. No one has noticed that free market Lasik surgery has declined in nominal dollars by 75% since 1998 (Alex Tabarrok quoted in 2004 that the average 1998 Lasik price was $2200 per eye. Now it is $900). The cause of incentive blindness was convincingly made by Milton Friedman already. Employees learned to believe healthcare was a free good. Free is hard to give up---one man's expense is another man's free good---particularly when few understand or believe in opportunity costs---thats just rip off talk from the right and business in general. Posted January 4, 2012 1:52 PM
steve writes:
"Medicare and Medicaid vastly increase demand for health care. " Agreed. No more health care for the poor and elderly will decrease costs. "There's no discussion of the regulatory barriers to low-cost, high-deductible policies." Very small. Any business can do this. If only there were evidence that this decreases total spending. "Gruber studiously avoids the most remarkable health care system on earth: Singapore's." You kind of have to take the whole package, meaning you also need to take the mandatory retirement contributions. However, even though most left wing pundits like Singapore's system, I am not sure how you generalize a system that covers what is in essence one big city to our large country. "In reality, cost control is simple. Everyone knows how to do it" Adopt the medical system of almost any other OECD country? Steve Posted January 4, 2012 7:39 PM
Greg Scandlen writes:
"There's no discussion of the regulatory barriers to low-cost, high-deductible policies." There is overwhelming evidence, Steve, including a recent Rand study that it reduces spending by 30%. Go to John Goodman's blog to find more. Posted January 4, 2012 7:49 PM
RN writes:
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Gepap writes:
I am sorry, but #1 is nonsense. Medicare and Medicaid increase the SUPPLY of medical services (in the sense they give people the money they otherwise lacked to get services they want), not the DEMAND (pain and illness always abound, and people always want to treat them). Posted January 5, 2012 1:55 PM
Andrew' writes:
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John J. writes:
Great points and I totally agree. However, I would have expected you to mention the price distortions, both to the health and labor markets, that occur because health care is tied to employment. Posted January 5, 2012 4:03 PM
JS writes:
This, really, doesn't do justice to the book. I agree the rah-rah, cheerleading tone, at times, was irritating & could have done with plenty more tackling of the negatives (or perceived negatives) of the new healthcare law & paradigm, but this review just falls apart at even a slightly elevated level of scrutiny. And so it goes on & on...insurance, especially for health, is becoming a basic social good that all societies need to ensure it's citizens can afford, both for moral & civic reasons. Coupled with cost control, it really it really seems there's no way out except for some form of strong central role, that leaves a lot of scope for private enterprise, which this law/reform does promise. Posted January 5, 2012 8:43 PM
rmv writes:
Gepap, One of the determinants of DEMAND is income of consumers. Posted January 5, 2012 9:19 PM
steve writes:
"There is overwhelming evidence, Steve, including a recent Rand study that it reduces spending by 30%. Go to John Goodman's blog to find more." I read Goodman's blog everyday. I know the studies he cites. I have read most of them, not just taken his word for it. I believe he is wrong. Steve Posted January 5, 2012 10:47 PM
NormD writes:
Steve, Why is it my moral obligation to pay for: Drug user comes in with endocarditis caused by injection drug use, receives hundreds of thousands of dollars of care and goes right back to injecting drugs? The thousands of "patients" who besiege ERs every day with vague non-specific complaints insisting that their "sickness" can only be cured with some narcotic drug. 500-600 lb people who show up at ER demanding care and complaining about anyone and anything. Follow some ER blogs Posted January 6, 2012 11:44 AM
AP writes:
For #3 through #5: Addressing these points is the key to reducing costs. Someone posted that no modern society would let people die on the streets because they made poor decisions. Then, I guess archaic societies conversely valued individual responsibility and judgement. And maybe the minority should just continue to fund the idiocracy and not "leave anyone behind." Why should a majority of our species become idiots? Grade and high schools need to have a mandatory course on end of life issues. People need to learn about death versus the latest app on their phone. Yes, it is morbid somewhat, but I don't understand this need for an emotional shelter created by liberals mostly. Posted January 12, 2012 10:31 AM
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