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The author at The Transportationist.org in a related article titled Linklist: May 30, 2012 writes:
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John Thacker writes:
I have friends who work at the US Patent & Trade Office. The PTO uses a lot of telecommuting, but they have two key features: 1) Only workers with a minimum level of experience and promotions are allowed to telecommute. 2) The output of a patent examiner can be easily measured against quotas, unlike that of many service workers. Telecommuting is easy to justify if people are paid piecework. (Think freelancers.) Posted May 30, 2012 1:35 AM
Evan writes:
I wonder if you could make your prospects better by offering to leave a webcam pointed at you for your boss to check at all times when you're telecommuting. You could set up your own website, "WatchMeSittingAtMyDeskWorking.com" with a continuous live feed during your working hours. You could even archive footage, so your boss can monitor your work ethic at his/her leisure! Or would that just, as Bryan says "signal weirdness?" Posted May 30, 2012 2:20 AM
Alex Godofsky writes:
I don't know, I find myself a lot less productive when I work from home. For some reason there are genuine gains from having people work in a different building from where they live. Posted May 30, 2012 3:09 AM
Andy writes:
I'm usually much more productive from home. There are far fewer distractions (I don't have 40 people sitting withing earshot, for one). I generally work from home once/week; the main barrier to doing it more is meetings and my laziness in making myself food. Posted May 30, 2012 3:22 AM
Tracy W writes:
I'm far less productive working at home. The moment anything turns up that requires difficult thinking I find myself doing housework to procrastinate. (During exams at uni my flat was *spotless*). Three years back my office was trying to get us to work from home more, and we were refusing. Posted May 30, 2012 5:52 AM
ajb writes:
No time to read this, but does he check for the importance of the worker's observing boss signals? Or coworker signals? Sometimes being at the office helps you learn about work opportunities or even what the boss likes or what efforts are more or less helpful for career success. This would favor office workers even if bosses could sort workers well and individuals didn't need to signal to bosses. Posted May 30, 2012 6:10 AM
Jack writes:
Believable story, but how do we know the telecommuting wage penalty is not simply because of lower worker quality? (The usual endogeneity problem.) The wage penalty could be from the bad signal (telecommuting), self-selection of bad workers into telecommuting, or both. Posted May 30, 2012 9:22 AM
Joe Cushing writes:
Tracy's comment cracked me up. I assumed everybody was less productive at home but I can see from these comments that it is a matter of different environments and personalities. I worked for a company that had telecommuting infrastructure in place but it was only used a tiny percentage of the time. It was a national business with most of the work happening in two large offices. This means they are vulnerable to disaster--say a tornado hits the building. For back up, they rented a warehouse and put a second office there. So this is a more extreme commitment to commuting. They are maintaining two office spaces for many employees when they could just buy them a laptop. Posted May 30, 2012 9:33 AM
caryatis writes:
Interestingly, there was a survey which found that when people were asked what their ideal commute would be, the average answer was 30 minutes. Not zero minutes, not 5. So I wonder whether people are getting some enjoyment out of the commute, even if we complain about it. Maybe busy people with families like having a few minutes to be alone and do something which requires minimal effort and thought. Of course that's inconsistent with the happiness surveys. Maybe people are just unable to imagine a realistic commute much less than 30 minutes? Posted May 30, 2012 9:49 AM
Brian writes:
I find even the location of my office in the building effects the productivity of my work. Now that my office is sounded by PM's I overhear a lot of important information that I really need to know to project budgets. If I worked from home my projections would be a lot less accurate because I would know a lot less of what was going on with our projects. Therefore I would not know the questions to ask because PM would not volunteer the information or forget a piece of important information that effects cost. That is when verbal communication a critical part of getting information in your job, commuting is not nearly as productive. Posted May 30, 2012 10:22 AM
SB writes:
I used to telecommute, and it didn't work out very well. Maybe signaling is an issue, but another problem is that it's harder to get plugged into what's going on at work. In an office environment, it's very easy for the following conversations to arise in the course of casual chit-chat: "Hey Steve, have you ever dealt with Customer X?" or "There's this great new project, can you help me out?" or "Do you have any advice on issue Y?" As a result, the office worker stays plugged into lots of different projects, etc. For the telecommuter, those conversations don't happen -- out of sight out of mind, for one thing, plus a lot of the legitimately useful conversations don't seem worth arranging a conference call about. Studies show that people eat way less candy if the bowl is across the room instead of on their desk within reach . . . if people don't take the trouble to walk across the room, they also don't take the trouble to affirmatively seek out the telecommuting colleague to keep them roped in on everything. Posted May 30, 2012 10:36 AM
bryan willman writes:
at least one large and famous employer explicitly counts hallway conversations, lunch room chats, and even conversations in rest rooms (obvious issues) as an explicit part of its culture. and as i now volunteer for a social venture a good bit away from my home, i can say that meetings are generally more useful in person - in spite of very heavy use of skype and the like. so telecommuting and in person work are not really interchangeable, in sort of the same way that owning vs renting a dwelling are not fully interchangeable. Posted May 30, 2012 11:58 AM
Michael Shear writes:
There are a number of complex individual, social and organizational dynamics that are pertinent to this discussion. I am working on a white paper (in progress), "Accelerating Economic Growth through Advanced Telecommunications Infrastructure" that may be downloaded at the following link for those interested in a wider discourse on the topic. http://www.box.com/s/a23175f29d4e7914f2f6 [url fixed--Econlib Ed.] Posted May 30, 2012 12:53 PM
Hasdrubal writes:
For the telecommuter, those conversations don't happen -- out of sight out of mind, for one thing, plus a lot of the legitimately useful conversations don't seem worth arranging a conference call about. My experience is the same as Brian, SB and Bryan. There might be some signalling involved, but I think the reduction in communication is much more important. You might be able to test if it's signaling or communication would be to look at the prevalence of telecommuting in different job positions or advancement based on position, rather than aggregating all telecommuters. Jobs which don't need to interact with others in the organization much, like journalists and outside sales have been telecommuting since before the telephone. On the other hand, maybe look at project managers or IT support for jobs that lose productivity from telecommuting. Posted May 30, 2012 1:19 PM
Mark Little writes:
Great work for an undergraduate! (Clark should have a good and well-deserved future in academic economics.) But don't overdo the signaling model. We have staff who have moved from in-office to telecommuting and back. This is driven not by economics but by spousal conflicts. (Wife/husband gets a job in a distant city; we don't want to lose the employee. On-site employees can also work from home, and many do in evenings and weekends, but staff come into the office on weekdays, even when working form home is allowed.) Sometimes remote work works well, but there are costs. While measuring productivity is not the issue, there is substantial productivity cost to working remotely. This is recognized by both managers and remotely-based staff. There are benefits to proximity and being 'in the loop.' In short, our experience is consistent with that of SB. Posted May 30, 2012 7:52 PM
Babinich writes:
Telecommuting wouldn't just save workers time, frustration, and fuel; it would also let firms drastically reduce their overhead - and pass the savings along to their customers. Are we really leaving a trillion-dollar bill on the table? The key is to look at not only the immediate effects of a policy but the long term effects of any act or policy." Posted May 31, 2012 5:42 AM
Peter writes:
"About 17% of Americans who telecommute at least part of the time reported working for less than an hour, compared to 2% among the general working population. Among all workers, 48% reported working for over eight hours a day, compared to just 35% for telecommuters" This strikes me as false given what I have seen in the industries that allow teleworking. The telecommuting number seem spot on to me but the general workers seem high. Would have liked to see a question in the survey where they ask the respondents to define the "work" they were doing. I work with a lot of guys who define "work" as physically being at work (regardless if they do work or not) and would honestly tell you they spend eight hours a day on average working even if that work is watching youtube all day at the office not doing a damn thing. I'm thinking the teleworkers define work the same way but since they aren't at the office they are only reporting their productive work. My guess is both parties have about the same productivity in reality. Posted May 31, 2012 6:41 AM
Pengyu Zhu writes:
Signaling and wage penalty...This is an innovative way to study telecommuting. Above all, telecommuting does not necessarily reduce travel! People's travel time budget has remained constant for a long time. It is most likely that people use the extra time they saved from telecommuting for other trips, including non-work trips. For more details, please read my recent work on telecommuting at http://works.bepress.com/pengyu_zhu/ Posted May 31, 2012 7:50 AM
Michael Stack writes:
I always advise people at work to NOT telecommute - at least, not exclusively. It's very bad for your career. You need facetime with people at work. Posted May 31, 2012 11:06 AM
Brie Reynolds writes:
I think the reaction of the employer really does depend on the employer themselves. I've telecommuted full-time for two different companies so far, and both have been very supportive and given me the same career growth I'd expect from a brick-and-mortar office. The most recent, FlexJobs (http://www.flexjobs.com) specializes in telecommute job listings and we've seen a 400% increase in these available jobs sine 2007. Two studies have come out within the last year, by Stanford University and the University of Minnesota, which show that telecommuters are actually more productive and more satisfied than their office-bound coworkers. The Stanford study in particular found that: I think it really depends on whether the employee and employer can create a plan and put the infrastructure in place so that telecommuting can be successful. Trust and communication are key to the arrangement. And old management styles simply don't work with telecommuting employees, so employers also have to be willing to change and adapt to new realities. Posted May 31, 2012 3:35 PM
John David Galt writes:
The "signaling" metaphor cracks me up because it is so obviously a strained euphemism -- for the real problem which is simply lack of trust. I don't think Evan's webcam idea would solve the problem, because it is too easy to fake the feed. However, a two-way teleconference with audio, left running for the entire work shift, might well do the trick, if it doesn't cost more than coming in. My take is that telecommuting is best for those whose work is done entirely alone, or so close to it that being paid by the task (and thus making yourself an independent contractor) makes sense. If your boss wants more control over your time than that, it's better to be an employee and come in to the office. Posted May 31, 2012 10:53 PM
Evan writes:
@Brian I overhear a lot of important information that I really need to know to project budgets. If I worked from home my projections would be a lot less accurate because I would know a lot less of what was going on with our projects. This is a great point! Bryan, David, and Arnold talk a lot about how a lot of knowledge is implicit and difficult to transmit and articulate. It never occurred to me that this would be a problem for telecommuting, but if you think about it it obviously is. Posted May 31, 2012 11:44 PM
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